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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #15 on: July 01, 2011, 08:15 PM »
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Purple as in embarrassment?

No, purple as in "livid" ...
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #16 on: July 01, 2011, 08:22 PM »
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In the first set I truly believed Murray had Nadal sussed, returning Nadal's serve onto his toes, making him jump back with an erratic return which Murray duly played to Nadal's weaker back hand and won the point.  It seemed to work time and again and yet that lost point early in the second set marked a turning point which Murray just couldn't get out of his head.  So often I've watched Mastermind when somebody gets an answer wrong and then they don't even hear the next question.  When a point is lost, it's lost.  If only he could just let it go.  Nevertheless he is still the greatest player the UK has ever had.  I still feel his day will come.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2011, 08:23 PM »
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In the first set I truly believed Murray had Nadal sussed
Indeed. Murray did and does have Nadal sussed, just not his own head.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #18 on: July 01, 2011, 08:23 PM »
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OK refuse to be negative! For a set and a half Andy was beating Rafa. Somehow that missed volley to give him a break, completely drained his confidence. However, we all know that you give Rafa a chink in your armour he will rip it off you.
Being bludgeoned by that  incredible accurate forehand point after point, game after game, must in itself be soul destroying. Plus Rafa is at the top of his game and probably the best match player the game has ever known.
Also, feel Andy was injured. Adrenaline was keeping him safe but after THAT game it drained away.
I, too wonder how long he'll continue to put himself through this Frown
Come on folks Goliath slew David today but who knows what the future might bring.
And, if it doesn't bring slams, so what? I'll always love Andy and his beautiful game and as long as he keeps playing, I'll keep supporting him. kiss That's for you Andy
And this is for everyone else who still loves him grouphug
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2011, 08:27 PM »
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never mind maybe next year eh?
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #20 on: July 01, 2011, 08:32 PM »
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It's sad - all Murray want's is to win a slam... and it's clear to see that he's never going to do it. You can have all the shots in the book, but if you don't have that mental je ne sais quoi, you'll always be an also ran.

I suspect the next four or five months are going to be pretty horrendous viewing for Murray fans.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #21 on: July 01, 2011, 08:32 PM »
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OK refuse to be negative! For a set and a half Andy was beating Rafa. Somehow that missed volley to give him a break, completely drained his confidence. However, we all know that you give Rafa a chink in your armour he will rip it off you.
Being bludgeoned by that  incredible accurate forehand point after point, game after game, must in itself be soul destroying. Plus Rafa is at the top of his game and probably the best match player the game has ever known.
Also, feel Andy was injured. Adrenaline was keeping him safe but after THAT game it drained away.
I, too wonder how long he'll continue to put himself through this Frown
Come on folks Goliath slew David today but who knows what the future might bring.
And, if it doesn't bring slams, so what? I'll always love Andy and his beautiful game and as long as he keeps playing, I'll keep supporting him. kiss That's for you Andy
And this is for everyone else who still loves him grouphug

Lovely to read this amidst so much negativity bbh and this is for you to say thanks  hug
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #22 on: July 01, 2011, 08:33 PM »
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I suspect the next four or five months are going to be pretty horrendous viewing for Murray fans.
That certainly wasn't the case last year when he lost to Nadal? And back then he didn't get a look in like he did today.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #23 on: July 01, 2011, 08:34 PM »
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That certainly wasn't the case last year when he lost to Nadal? And back then he didn't get a look in like he did today.

It'll be worse this time round because he blew it. It's one thing being comprehensively outplayed from the start, but to implode in the way he did is going to be hard to get over.

The only hope is that his leg caused the drop in form. Murray will never admit it publicly, but if it did hamper him, it'll provide an internal excuse.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #24 on: July 01, 2011, 08:36 PM »
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It'll be worse this time round because he blew it. It's one thing being comprehensively outplayed from the start, but to implode in the way he did is going to be hard to get over.

The only hope is that his leg caused the drop in form. Murray will never admit it publicly, but if it did hamper him, it'll provide an internal excuse.
This brings up an interesting question: What's more difficult to get over? Losing because your game isn't good enough or that your mind isn't.

At least with your mind, you essentially know it's in your control but with your game you might wonder whether your ability is limited.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #25 on: July 01, 2011, 08:39 PM »
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At least with your mind, you know you can fix it but with your game you might wonder whether your skills are limited.

I disagree with this very much. Technical skills can be learned - almost all of the top players are comparable technically (with the exception of the freak servers, and the all round freak Nadal). What sets the great players apart from the rest is the mental strength.

Murray is mentally strong, don't get me wrong. He does however seem to have something going on inside which stops him performing at the very highest level.

Fixing your head is the absolute hardest thing to do, and the fact that it's been like this for Murray for the last three years suggests that it won't be fixed. I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #26 on: July 01, 2011, 08:39 PM »
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This brings up an interesting question: What's more difficult to get over? Losing because your game isn't good enough or that your mind isn't.

At least with your mind, you essentially know it's in your control but with your game you might wonder whether your ability is limited.

I think if you acknowledge that your game isn't good enough, then you can live with that.  But first, you have to make that leap.

If it's your mind that is causing the problem, you still have to make a leap and grasp that particular nettle - ouch.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #27 on: July 01, 2011, 08:39 PM »
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Can talent really be learnt? IMO talent defines your limits.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #28 on: July 01, 2011, 08:40 PM »
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Can talent really be learnt?

No no ... you either have it or you don't.  It can be honed however, and that is what they all do - some of them better than others.
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Re: Murray frozen out by Nadal brilliance « Reply #29 on: July 01, 2011, 08:41 PM »
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And before anyone says it, yes.. maybe mental strength is part of talent which would make my last comment void lol
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