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Posted on: July 21, 2012, 04:22 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I agree tj.  And I think although Andy is same age as Nole he turned pro a year later.
Posted on: July 21, 2012, 02:31 PM
Posted by: teejay1
Sam Smith, who commentated on the women's matches at Roland Garros, was a breath of fresh air after the idiocies and Fedworship of Wade and Croft.  Her commentary was balanced, fair and well-informed - a great pity we dont see more of her.

Indeed, I was also interested in what she had to say about Andy after he'd lost to Ferrer. Jim Courier was constructive as well.

The discussion, obviously, went to Andy's prospect of winning majors. Sam made a point that I must say I'd never thought about, but it made sense. She said that Andy's development as a player is probably a couple of years behind that of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic because, relatively speaking, he took the game up properly later than they did.

It did make me think, because although he was hitting balls from around three, wasn't he about seven or something, perhaps a bit older, before he played more? I know there was some chance of him going in to football (glad he didn't personally) as well. Then there was being in Dunblane, hardly the tennis capital of the world, before going to Spain.

I just thought it was interesting to hear people like Sam and Jim comfirming what a lot of us think, that the best could very well still be yet to come from Andy. Now there is an exciting thought!

Sam also talked about Andy's back problem. I really appreciated the way she mentioned one thing that no one else did at the time, i.e. that the way we deal with pain is different from one person to another, and maybe Andy has a low pain threshold compared to some of the other players. I liked it because she clearly understood the one thing that some of the other commentators forget, that all the players are just people in the end.
Posted on: July 20, 2012, 07:23 PM
Posted by: Alis
Sam Smith, who commentated on the women's matches at Roland Garros, was a breath of fresh air after the idiocies and Fedworship of Wade and Croft.  Her commentary was balanced, fair and well-informed - a great pity we dont see more of her.
Posted on: July 20, 2012, 05:24 PM
Posted by: Littlebuddha
Yes Wade sits and pontificates she is typical of  her class and should keep quiet. She only appears on TV because she won the womens singles many many moons ago. She adores Fed as does Croft what a pair god help us if this is the best they can dig up what hope do we have.
Posted on: July 20, 2012, 05:10 PM
Posted by: teejay1
I said on Eurosport's site at the time that I thought they should have sacked Wade for her outburst and I still think the same. She wasn't rational or balanced. It was just a rant from an old woman who is frightened to death that people will forget her when she is no longer the last Brit to win a major. She seemed to be upset that Andy won and simply wouldn't accept that Niemenen bottled it when he was in a winning position.

I watched the match in question and was distraught with how Andy was in the beginning. He couldn't even walk properly! How on earth that could have been considered faking, or being a drama queen I will never know. I tell you, if Andy was faking in that match he is in the wrong job and should make himself available for the National Theatre or something.

I have experienced back spasm and I can say with honesty that the pain is terrible. You do collapse in to it in the way Andy was. He couldn't get up for the serve, it was patently obvious something was very wrong. However, it can and does wear off to a great degree, although I still feel that it was sheer willpower or just plain bloody-mindedness that got him through that match in the end. I wasn't convinced by his movement all the way through, even when he was playing better.

I remember thinking that in a way the match showed how much more in control of his emotions he is. Had that happened even a year ago I think he would have got totally frustrated with himself and it would have finished him off.

I think Andy was put in a terrible position throughout that whole time. He should never have had to justify himself or explain anything, especially to people who in the past have accused him of saying too much about injuries.

I would have loved to have been around Virginia Wade on Men's final day at Wimbledon. I bet she was peeing herself. Mind you, she will be revolting about Smugfed. Her adoration of him knows no bounds. Silly cow.

Posted on: June 03, 2012, 06:21 AM
Posted by: Caz
MT....it was Nigel's quote you used, making it appear as though your comment was directed at him. A simple mistake, obviously!
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 08:00 PM
Posted by: MT
he was touching his ear his nose his mouth, head down god almighty its like watching Gerry Mccann. didnt even answer the question because half way thru he realised he'd lost all credibility. It was quite amusing to watch but as i said I'm here for his wonderful tennis skill nothing more so all this is a bonus

Michelle get YOUR facts right - the quote was from steve bywaters - see above . Why are you being so nippy?
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:41 PM
Posted by: michelle
Steve you are a sicko dragging a tragic child abduction into an argument about tennis.
He didn't fuzzyballs did, Grabcopy was only replying to him.Get your facts right.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:40 PM
Posted by: MT
I'm afraid I listened to every word Neil harman said and was absolutely appalled.  Like you, I have thought in the past that he was very supportive of Andy - I'm afraid I have now changed my mind.

The other journalist interviewed - whose name escapes me - was far more supportive.  I think it was Inverdale who suggested that Andy likes to be the 'centre of attention' - I would say that nothing is further from the truth - he hates all the media attention whereas Fed and Djoko just lap it up.
Neil Harman has written very pompous articles in the Times about Andy's facial hair and how it shows disrespect for Wimbledon - bit of a snob and inconsistent supporting Andy one day and not the next. Fairweather friend I reckon.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:22 PM
Posted by: MT
Like watching Gerry McCann!!! I suppose you have a conspiracy theory about that, too, do you?
Steve you are a sicko dragging a tragic child abduction into an argument about tennis.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:08 PM
Posted by: michelle
MT why on earth did you put the above quote on again? It doesn't deserve house room.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:03 PM
Posted by: MT
Another slam, another Murray 'injury' drama. I can't recall the last grand slam in which Murray did not claim to be suffering from some injury, or putting on a dying swan act and saying he might not continue in the tournament. Virginia Wade quite rightly described Murray as a 'drama queen' today, and clearly finds Murray's play acting pretty pathetic.

Does anyone seriously think that there would have been any of this nonsense had Murray made a better start to the match? Murray's psychological frailty stems from the pressure he feels because he has not won a slam. It's like every slam he feels the need to engineer some way to take the pressure and expectation off himself.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 04:33 PM
Posted by: Littlebuddha
Yes Andy will never please everyone as you say Ruthie he does not fit the image of what middle class English tennis fans. He is who he is and should not change warts and all. He is Scottish and we Scots are not the same as the English. We are probably not as outgoing as our English friends and tend to keep to ourselves.But that does not mean we cannnot get upset or angry when people are talking rubbish about us.
Andy is unique and I would not want him to change.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 10:51 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
I'm afraid I listened to every word Neil harman said and was absolutely appalled.  Like you, I have thought in the past that he was very supportive of Andy - I'm afraid I have now changed my mind.

The other journalist interviewed - whose name escapes me - was far more supportive.  I think it was Inverdale who suggested that Andy likes to be the 'centre of attention' - I would say that nothing is further from the truth - he hates all the media attention whereas Fed and Djoko just lap it up.
It was Paul Newman of Independent Alis.  I read that as well as the Guardian and he's always v fair towards Andy.  Called Virginia Creeper's remarks absurd today.  But he also did advise Andy not to show his pain on court - which is fine when it's a little niggle but really there was no way he could disguise it from his opponent on Thursday so I felt that wasn't really called for in this particular situation.
And agree with bbh, it's partly because Andy does not fit the template many middle class English tennis fans would fashion for him that I love him so much.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:44 AM
Posted by: Alis
I did say "reportedly", because I never heard any of it, and I'm as surprised as you are.  It's very possible that, as so often happens, the comments were taken out of context, probably by someone who doesn't like Andy, and so twisted to suit their own malicious ends.


I'm afraid I listened to every word Neil harman said and was absolutely appalled.  Like you, I have thought in the past that he was very supportive of Andy - I'm afraid I have now changed my mind.

The other journalist interviewed - whose name escapes me - was far more supportive.  I think it was Inverdale who suggested that Andy likes to be the 'centre of attention' - I would say that nothing is further from the truth - he hates all the media attention whereas Fed and Djoko just lap it up.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:40 AM
Posted by: Bevc
I came across this today.  Some interesting points from Tiger tender

Where has your reputation for being boring come from?

The media in this country blow things out of proportion. When I started playing professionally, I was trying to deflect the press attention and keep things in perspective. That was my way of dealing with it. When people asked me a question, I ended up giving the right answer rather than the honest one as my way of keeping things as calm as possible.

Do you regret not being more honest?

Yes, in hindsight I do. When you’re 21 and have to face a situation like that, you learn as you go along. Looking back, I would have done things differently.

Like what?

I’d have been more honest – not that I was lying, I wasn’t – but I could have been more open. I’ve never been interested in all the attention that goes with the game off-court, though. It’s just not in my personality to pursue fame.

Is it helpful when people yell ‘Come on, Tim’ at you?

Ha, ha. There are times when they’re all screaming ‘Come on’ at me and I want to turn round and say: ‘Do you think I missed that shot on purpose?’ In matches, you don’t hear individual comments – 15,000 people going nuts for you is amazing. You hear individuals more when you’re warming up. I was in Australia earlier this year and some girl shouted: ‘Do it for Chiswick.’ I was thinking: ‘Why the hell are you shouting that?’

Is Andrew Murray the new Tim Henman?

No, he wants to be the first Andy Murray. He’s a fantastic player. He’s a good example of why I was careful about making comments in interviews. He had a bad match in Australia and jokingly said he was playing like a woman. It was taken out of context by the press and became a big distraction for him when he was going into a grand slam.

Do people always expect British players to win Wimbledon?

It’s a benchmark. When I started out, people would have been ecstatic if I made it into the Top 100. But then they think ‘he’s got to be in the Top 50’ then it’s the Top 20, Top 10 and I got up to number four. Maybe that’s as good as I was meant to be – but if there are only three people on the planet who are better than you, then I don’t think that’s doing too badly.

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/interviews/11548-60-second-interview-tim-henman#ixzz1wcCrpta9

Andy, you carry on being Andy Murray and it will be my pleasure to continue to watch and enjoy, without judgement yes  
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 07:05 AM
Posted by: janetx
Well said blueberryhill! - Thank goodness for a little personality in tennis or any sport.

Hope Andy expresses his anger on the court tomorrow. Alas, I'll have to catch the replay. But I also hope the back is fine. Come on!! 
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 06:55 AM
Posted by: Caz
Andy is not going to change any time soon and good I say! If Andy is a bit of a "Drama Queen" so what? Many, other players are too, don't people who criticise Andy watch much tennis or something? Or do they only watch whatever Andy does with a microscope in hand and an "I'm so perfect" expression on their faces?   
These  people  are way too critical of the way Andy  behaves. They should go find a robot to support. They'd clearly be a lot happier, or is it continually putting people down, they enjoy?
Some of the British press just exists to drag everybody down into the gutter. A proportion of the Great British Public loves to join in and throw stones too.
It's a funny old world.

I quite agree BBH!
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 06:46 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Andy is not going to change any time soon and good I say! If Andy is a bit of a "Drama Queen" so what? Many, other players are too, don't people who criticise Andy watch much tennis or something? Or do they only watch whatever Andy does with a microscope in hand and an "I'm so perfect" expression on their faces?   
These  people  are way too critical of the way Andy  behaves. They should go find a robot to support. They'd clearly be a lot happier, or is it continually putting people down, they enjoy?
Some of the British press just exists to drag everybody down into the gutter. A proportion of the Great British Public loves to join in and throw stones too.
It's a funny old world.
Posted on: June 02, 2012, 12:21 AM
Posted by: Aileen
Nothing like this in his column/article in the paper. He was very supportive and critical of VW so a bit confused. Neil is normally very supportive of Andy.
I did say "reportedly", because I never heard any of it, and I'm as surprised as you are.  It's very possible that, as so often happens, the comments were taken out of context, probably by someone who doesn't like Andy, and so twisted to suit their own malicious ends.

You're talking rubbish Steve.  I see no lying in what Andy said.  I do not think much to the after game interviews at all anyway.
I agree.  In fact I thought Andy behaved remarkably well in what were very trying circumstances.  Also like you I don't rate these interviews of players within minutes of coming off court too highly since they mostly churn out the same old things, and for that I don't blame them.