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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #45 on: March 12, 2012, 11:30 AM »
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"No need to panic after surprise exit for Murray" Jonathon Overend blog
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanoverend/2012/03/no_need_to_panic_after_murray.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2113566/Andy-Murray-confused-defeat-Guillermo-Garcia-Lopez.html#comments

Only a few comments so far, but mostly supportive.


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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #46 on: March 12, 2012, 11:36 AM »
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I am glad Andy is playing doubles with Jamie. It sounds as though it was a brilliant match. Perhaps it is good for Andy to play doubles and extra games in doubles will help him to get into the swing of things and not sitting without doing anything. Playing in a competition is better than just hitting a tennis ball with your team. Its better than moping about.

I am sure Andy will get over being beaten in the first round, after all tomorrow is another day, forget about the loss and get on with life. hug
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #47 on: March 12, 2012, 11:39 AM »
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Great The Murray brothers won the Doubles.

I agree too that some comments are a Harsh. Just forget it, he will do well in Miami. There have been many occasions when the top three have lost in the second rounds over the years. it happens. Also playing the last match at night must have been awlful.

Just give him a break. He is human like the rest of us.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #48 on: March 12, 2012, 02:19 PM »
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First of all - well done to Andy & Jamie for winning their doubles match.  Just a pity Hutchins & Fleming had to be the losers - but that's sport.

Too bad if you thought it was rather harsh.
Well sorry, but this is happening just too often now.
I'm actually getting tired of defending him all the time and having everything blow up in my face due to Andy's continuous implosions.
You know against people that think like this Cowan fellow youre referencing. His behaviour is ridiculous sometimes.
I'll get over it but if he isnt in some kind of tailspin then I expect him to give it his all in Miami. No excuses.
(a)What I'm sick and tired of hearing is Andy saying time and time again after such losses - "I don't know how it happened" or "I don't know what went wrong".  This, from a player ranked No.4 is pathetic.  I've yet to hear another player at any level say the same thing.  Come on Andy - either you need to be honest with your fans and come right out and admit you played a very poor game, or, if you're genuinely confused about why you lost, then it's time to see a sports psychologist.

(b)MW isn't a "luvvie" website.  You shouldn't feel under an obligation to defend Andy all the time.  I used to but no longer do because, after over two years as a member, a great deal of realism has set in - although that doesn't mean to say I'm going to stop supporting him, because I'm proud of everything he has achieved so far, and if that doesn't include winning a Slam, then so be it.  And before anyone gets on their high-horse, it states very clearly in the Forum's objectives that "At all times, the site aims to be honest about Murray's performances and career."

Andy said he has spoken with Ivan Lendl and feels much better, and Ivan has offered him some advice.
Short, sharp and to the point, I hope! Guy with axe  Smile



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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #49 on: March 12, 2012, 02:36 PM »
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I would advise you to read Jonathan Overands blog on the BBC tennis website, he at least is not seeing this loss as a major disaster. Please Aileen get rid of the winter blues and SAD. We don't know what other
players say as they are not put under the microscope as Andy is. When he was interviewed it was not long after the match and he probably did not know what had happened. He is not pathetic, he is honest with his fans, and re sports psychologist ahhhhhhh ahhhh ahhh, scream scream.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #50 on: March 12, 2012, 02:44 PM »
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First of all - well done to Andy & Jamie for winning their doubles match.  Just a pity Hutchins & Fleming had to be the losers - but that's sport.
(a)What I'm sick and tired of hearing is Andy saying time and time again after such losses - "I don't know how it happened" or "I don't know what went wrong".  This, from a player ranked No.4 is pathetic.  I've yet to hear another player at any level say the same thing.  Come on Andy - either you need to be honest with your fans and come right out and admit you played a very poor game, or, if you're genuinely confused about why you lost, then it's time to see a sports psychologist.

(b)MW isn't a "luvvie" website.  You shouldn't feel under an obligation to defend Andy all the time.  I used to but no longer do because I'm a realist, although that doesn't mean to say I'm going to stop supporting him, because I'm proud of everything he has achieved so far, and if that doesn't include winning a Slam, then so be it. And before anyone gets on their high-horse, it states very clearly in the Forum's objectives that one of the Forum's aims is to "to be honest about Murray's performances and career"
I completely agree Aileen! When we make the effort to get up at crazy times, only to find Mr.Tragic faffing around the court because Mr.Magic stayed in bed, the very least we're entitled to is a good moan! So, if it makes folks feel better to moan, don't anyone begrudge them. After all, we'll all be behind him to a man cheering him on when Miami comes around!
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #51 on: March 12, 2012, 02:46 PM »
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Actually Eileen, i wasn't even meaning MW.
I was meaning just about everywhere else in fact. So many tell me he's a choker, just hasn't got it, always gets found out by the big boys when it matters.
Its not even venomous all the time, it can be well meaning but patronising.
Its frustrating because i do believe in Andy, and i willingly defend him, to me there is no more talented tennis player in the world and really he should be taking the likes of Nadal and Djokovic to the woodshed more often than not with his superior skills.
But enough with the mopy teenager `I dunno` stuff.
He takes 2 steps forward on this and then another step back, although that is still one step forward in aggregate at least.
To me the key is aggression. He's often too tentative & clever clever where Nadal and Novak will just hit their way out of trouble Andy wants to play games.
He needs to try something else if his opponent is not willing to go along with it.
More practice at being aggressive from the get go and against lesser opponents shall assist greatly in this.
Apparently by the time he got aggressive, he was spraying errors all over the place which is what happens when youre not sure about what you are doing.
Its funny had he got throught on Saturday he probably would have got to the semi's at least, maybe even win it.
Andy needs to start as he intends to finish i feel.
Lets hope this has something to do with his new game adaptations also, but i would like him to sort out his backhand as quickly as possible too.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #52 on: March 12, 2012, 02:46 PM »
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I would advise you to read Jonathan Overands article on the BBC tennis website, he at least is not seeing this loss as a major disaster. Please Aileen get rid of the winter blues and SAD. We don't know what other
players say as they are not put under the microscope as Andy is. When he was interviewed it was not long after the match and he probably did not know what had happened. He is not pathetic, he is honest with his fans, and re sports psychologist ahhhhhhh ahhhh ahhh, scream scream.

I can assure you I'm not suffering from either SAD or the winter blues.  How could I with all the lovely signs of spring around? Smile  Also I never said I saw this loss as a major disaster, just that I was fed up with Andy always saying that he doesn't know why he played the way he did, given how well he was playing while practising, how good he was feeling, etc.  We've been listening to this for two years now and I'm afraid I do find that rather disturbing.

One of the things that did strike me, though, is that Andy seems to have difficulty adjusting to colder night-time conditions, and in one report I read he mentioned how slow the court was.  It would seem obvious therefore that instead of always practising in the heat of the day, he also practises late in the evening, given that, certainly in the US, a number of matches are very late ones.  However, this might be something that Lendl already has in mind since players should be ready to adapt quickly to all court conditions.

 
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #53 on: March 12, 2012, 02:57 PM »
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Perhaps they cannot get on a court with lights at night. I suppose he could play with lights on his cap, or his team could hold laterns!!!!! Very Happy Very Happy We will have to agree to disagree re Andy, Aileen, but remain friends who will rejoice when Andy wins his first big one. Which I'm sure is not too far away. I also think that the work Ivan has done re his forehand is still a work in progress and being aggresssive means in the beginning there will be more enforced errors, which was very evident in the match with G-L. Something the commentators
noted.
Enjoy the signs of spring.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #54 on: March 12, 2012, 03:15 PM »
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Perhaps they cannot get on a court with lights at night. I suppose he could play with lights on his cap, or his team could hold laterns!!!!! Very Happy Very Happy We will have to agree to disagree re Andy, Aileen, but remain friends who will rejoice when Andy wins his first big one. Which I'm sure is not too far away. I also think that the work Ivan has done re his forehand is still a work in progress and being aggresssive means in the beginning there will be more enforced errors, which was very evident in the match with G-L. Something the commentators
noted.
Enjoy the signs of spring.
Thanks Michelle.  I don't like falling out with friends, but views are always going to be different.  That's what makes the world go round. hug

I can't believe though that they can't find a court with floodlighting in the US!  I've seen clubs here in Edinburgh with lighting so folk can play after it gets dark.  Wish they'd had them in my day because, apart from the middle of summer, it was such a rush to get in a few games after work before the light got too bad. 
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #55 on: March 12, 2012, 03:30 PM »
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I can't believe though that they can't find a court with floodlighting in the US!  I've seen clubs here in Edinburgh with lighting so folk can play after it gets dark.  Wish they'd had them in my day because, apart from the middle of summer, it was such a rush to get in a few games after work before the light got too bad. 
It'll more likely be that they can't get onto the courts in the evening as everyone who works during the day or are unwilling to play in the heat of the afternoon are using them at night. Though I'd be surprised if there wasn't a floodlit court somewhere where Andy could practice.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #56 on: March 12, 2012, 05:25 PM »
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Thanks for the balanced report Nigel.
Haven't been on here since the loss, and was as gutted as everyone else here. I was SO convinced Andy had turned a corner. I wish he'd come out with his man-chest all puffed out and 'bring-it' atitude.. but for whatever reason, he didn't.  I've had time to put it all in perspective now...

The Bad....... He lost, badly.
The Good..... He lost with his 'off-game'.. not his 'on-game'

The Bad....... He didn't gain 1000 points
The Good..... He didn't lose 1000 points

The Bad....... He lost a tennis match, with no injury to blame
The Good..... He has no injuries (that we are aware of)
The Better.... He came back to win a match with his brother
The Best......  He wins the tournament with Jamie! (hey.. who knows.. Wink)
The Bonus.... Unlike last year, this year in Lendl he has a confidant/mentor/arse kicker/call-it-what-you-like person in his corner.

I am still keeping the faith! clap

Sorry if these already posted:

Andy's post-match interview http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/2012/03/Indian-Wells-1/Indian-Wells-2012-Saturday-Murray-Interview.aspx

BBC article on Murray Brothers win: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/17336769

And.. in Andy's own words:

"I'm still disappointed. I had a long think last night and this morning," he said.

"I spoke to Ivan today which was really helpful.

"He's someone who hasn't been in that situation that often but understands it very well. He had some good advice for me."
 
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #57 on: March 12, 2012, 05:30 PM »
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I completely agree Aileen! When we make the effort to get up at crazy times, only to find Mr.Tragic faffing around the court because Mr.Magic stayed in bed, the very least we're entitled to is a good moan! So, if it makes folks feel better to moan, don't anyone begrudge them. After all, we'll all be behind him to a man cheering him on when Miami comes around!

Actually, I find the undending post-mortem and the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth almost more depressing than Andy's inexplicable first round losses.  As Boris Becker famously once said, 'I (He) lost a tennis match - nobody died'! One of the great things about Andy is you never know what's coming next and there is always the next tournament to look forward to.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #58 on: March 12, 2012, 05:45 PM »
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I agree with Boris Becker its a game and nobody died, sure we are all a bit disappointed but thats life and you get over your disappointment. Life goes on and there are other days that are great, those are the days you remember and I am sure the greatest day for Andy will be when he wins his first Grand Slam. On the day I will celebrate it with all my heart.
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Re: Murray in shocking exit to Garcia-Lopez « Reply #59 on: March 12, 2012, 05:51 PM »
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May be this will cheer you all up; only two weeks ago; nice video! These matches will come again. (Maybe it's already posted; my apologies!) .
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