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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #60 on: June 19, 2011, 12:31 PM »
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My point just like Murray would say is that you're always trying to improve, providing yourself with the best platform for success, but when form clicks and things go your way is not empirical, it just happens, it  comes when it comes, all Murray can do is keep putting himself in the position.  I think he knows this, as one can see that he has always been an improver.  When he's out there he should play is own game, he's never going to be a Nadal and trying to be is not the object.  I think he has to, and he does, have faith in himself and let it come.

you might well be right Igriev10, just found this quote that may well support your above theory: "Anger and frustration, not a good thing," he says, cradling his latest trinket, the Aegon Championships trophy he won last Monday at Queen's. "I know that everyone who plays the sport gets angry and frustrated but there's picking times to do it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/19/andy-murray-wimbledon-2011
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #61 on: June 19, 2011, 10:02 PM »
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you might well be right Igriev10, just found this quote that may well support your above theory: "Anger and frustration, not a good thing," he says, cradling his latest trinket, the Aegon Championships trophy he won last Monday at Queen's. "I know that everyone who plays the sport gets angry and frustrated but there's picking times to do it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/19/andy-murray-wimbledon-2011

According to what I've been reading today he's been talking to both David Haye and Jose Marinho (spelling?) about this.  It does seem like Andy has been thinking alot about this and does seem to be going into Wimbledon in a very positive state of mind.  Long may it last.  pray

Oh and re Andy being a natural - Johnnie Mac seems to be saying this too in an interview today and that he's not sure what a coach can teach him.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #62 on: June 20, 2011, 10:42 AM »
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Johnny Mac has this love-in with Andy for the two weeks he is here, hardly surprising when he is working for the BBC, for whom talking up Andy is indoctrinated well before you pick up the microphone.  What he says in the US is often a little more realistic, but he does seem to like him, and has made it clear often enough he wouldn't mind working with him either.

Murray has said he has spoke to Haye, and apparently Mourinho just told him to enjoy all the press stuff and get on with it.  When the hacks start saying Andy is more relaxed off court that tells you a lot, as they are the ones up close and personal on a regular basis.

He also said in another article that when he gets frustrated whilst he might often look in the direction of his staff, what he says is usually directed at himself, and not at them.  Not sure I accept that entirely, but he knows it is a problem, and hopefully he will be winning so easily there will be no need for the tantrum toddler to appear again.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #63 on: June 20, 2011, 02:47 PM »
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Hey PT,
I know you're a professional Psychologist and probably (possibly) ascribe to some kind of souped up/broadened version of psychoanalysis, or maybe you do not, but I would be interested in what your thoughts were about Andy Murray's mum being present in his box most of the time.
Do you think her presence its a good thing or not?
I don't think I can ever recollect you talking about her.

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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #64 on: June 20, 2011, 03:03 PM »
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Hey PT,
I know you're a professional Psychologist and probably (possibly) ascribe to some kind of souped up/broadened version of psychoanalysis, or maybe you do not, but I would be interested in what your thoughts were about Andy Murray's mum being present in his box most of the time.
Do you think her presence its a good thing or not?
I don't think I can ever recollect you talking about her.


mmmm..............thats a very interesting question, and without sitting down and making detailed observations about both Andy and his mum and how it is they interact in a natural day to day setting its very difficult to gauge just what effect if any Andy's mum has on him whilst playing when she sits in his box. But i would deduce she gets more out of being close to him than he actually gains from her sitting in his box! As to whether its a good thing or not well that depends on who's position you take up, be it Andy's or his mum's position. And on your other point about recalling if i have ever talked about her. Well alot of the topics discussed did not directly involve me commenting on this aspect, although i believe in one of my past posts i did touch on her relationship with Andy.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #65 on: June 20, 2011, 03:14 PM »
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Hmmmm Mr Magic and Mr Tragic, thanks for telling me that.  Reminds me a little of Safin, and Goren, wondering who will show up at a match.  I think a little stuffed doll called Mr. Tragic may come in handy to keep locked in a box...haha.

I think a smiley for Mr Magic would be good and a Mr Tragic behind bars would be good.

Thanks for the link to the article, very interesting,  Murray is always talking about having to get better which goes along with him being a hard worker at the academy. 

I'm sending Andy good vibes and for Mr Magic to totally take over his being during this fortnight!!
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #66 on: June 20, 2011, 03:40 PM »
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Yes!
I would agree with you that her presence in the box is more about her than it is about Andy.
I understand that we can't assume too much but
At the very least, removing her could help, it would perhaps make him take more responsibilty for what happens on court.
But then, there is always his poor support team to take it out on.
Still if she were banished, I can't help but think that it was a positive sign of maturity
on his part, I know she's a respected coach but does any other player have their mum around SO often?
I really don't recollect seeing her at the FO were he played some very consistent tennis, or at Queens either.
She certainly hasn't helped him with his temper, that's for sure, and his Zen like calm in the destruction of Roddick at Queens may have taught him a valuable lesson about being free, unblocked and composed and unFETTERED.
So....
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #67 on: June 20, 2011, 04:43 PM »
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Judy Murray gets a hard time on here, and I can never fathom why.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #68 on: June 20, 2011, 04:49 PM »
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Judy Murray gets a hard time on here, and I can never fathom why.


I agree, so many players have parents who attend tournaments and support their kids playing- Henman's parents hardly missed a match and no one ever commented negatively on their presence Shrug She's there as a parent, not as a coach or part of his training 'team' so people should stop the psycho-analysis on her and why she's there.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #69 on: June 20, 2011, 05:01 PM »
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Judy Murray gets a hard time on here, and I can never fathom why.
Not from me she doesn't.......If it was my kid who was playing, I'd want to be there! She's not always there anyway!
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #70 on: June 20, 2011, 05:05 PM »
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Judy Murray gets a hard time on here, and I can never fathom why.
I think it's because she comes across as quite aggressive.  I'm not saying that's right or wrong.  If it does Andy good to have that input, that's grand. 
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #71 on: June 20, 2011, 05:45 PM »
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I agree, so many players have parents who attend tournaments and support their kids playing- Henman's parents hardly missed a match and no one ever commented negatively on their presence Shrug She's there as a parent, not as a coach or part of his training 'team' so people should stop the psycho-analysis on her and why she's there.

Hazybear, "theycanbillme" and myself were not psycho-analysing Judy. I was merely answering his question, having re-read my post it in no way makes any claim or inference that could be deemed as statistically sound. I always make sure that what i post in terms of psychological material is backed up with pertinent factual/observed evidence. I don't know judy personally, and i think made it clear in perhaps the post you refer to and others that ethically it would not be prudent for me to comment on aspects of her relationship with Andy. no offence was ment if any was taken.  hug
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #72 on: June 20, 2011, 05:52 PM »
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I think it's because she comes across as quite aggressive.  I'm not saying that's right or wrong.  If it does Andy good to have that input, that's grand. 

I think that she's a lot 'quieter' these days.  I know my past commentators have said that Andy wants Judy to just be his mum when watching him.  I don't think I could watch Andy calmly, if he was my son either, so she's doing well.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #73 on: June 20, 2011, 05:53 PM »
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It must be tough for Judy to be the mom (if I was the mom, I would be there watching my son play his match) and to be a coach as well.  She obviously has taught Andy a lot about tennis.  You never see her coaching from the sidelines like some of the other parent coaches, she seems to just be an encouraging parent.
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Re: Murray in top half of the draw at Wimbledon « Reply #74 on: June 20, 2011, 06:04 PM »
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I think that she's a lot 'quieter' these days.  I know my past commentators have said that Andy wants Judy to just be his mum when watching him.  I don't think I could watch Andy calmly, if he was my son either, so she's doing well.
I'd definitely have to remove myself from the situation, and I would! But I guess with Judy's tennis background, it doesn't make it that easy - I think that's the whole thing.  She's not only his mum - but also a tennis coach who has had a lot of input.  That must be hard to let go of, on both sides.
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