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Re: Murray strolls into second round « Reply #30 on: July 30, 2012, 06:38 PM »
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Hi All,

Just to mention, I don't know if any of you caught it, John Lloyd, covering Smugfed's match, remarked on how confident Andy looked yesterday in beating Wawrinka, and how well he played. He contrasted him with Djokovic (who I haven't seen yet myself) who had a very shaky start apparently. Nice to see Andy's confidence is being noted I thought.

Going back to Andy's demeanour, I agree with some of you that I wouldn't want him to show no emotion at all. I like the 'come on's' and all that, and his ability to get a crowd going. I've never expected him to be one of those players who laughs and jokes all the time on court, it just doesn't seem to be his thing somehow, although I think he's shown glimpses of that, i.e. in the Lloddra match at the AO, and some other times. I also don't expect him not to show some fire, indeed I like it when he does, it makes him look up for it. During the Mahut match at Queen's the one thing I did think was that Andy seemed flat all match, he just never looked up for it or ready for a fight really. It didn't seem quite like our Andy, if that makes sense.

I think it's all about balance though. God forbid that he should become too Smugfed like. One of him is quite enough thanks. But I do think Andy has beaten himself up at times, got frustrated with himself, and that has affected his concentration. As I said before, I think the negativity has used his energy up as well, which can be so costly, especially in the majors. I think sometimes he has shown opponents just that bit too much as well, let them know they've got him frazzled. That is the area where I think he has changed so much this year. If he makes a mistake he moves on much quicker to the next point and gets on with it.

I think the change in Andy started before Lendl arrived on the scene. However, I think since Lendl has been around Andy's confidence seems to have really picked up, and that has come across in his calmer outlook. It would though, wouldn't it? He is being coached by someone who has won multiple majors after losing four. Also, Lendl has been quite open about saying that he wouldn't be coaching Andy if he didn't believe he could win majors. More than that though, I'm sure it must help Andy to be around someone who has been there and done it, not just someone who has coached someone who has been there and done it, which is quite different. I think Andy is working with someone now who gets what it is like for him in the way that none of his coaches have before, and I'm convinced it has helped him a great deal.

What I do think the Wawrinka matched showed so well is that Andy's calm demeanour is still there when Lendl isn't. I must admit that for a time I was concerned that Andy would be almost on best behaviour when Lendl was around, but could slip back in to old habits when he is essentially on his own (well, apart from his team). I think the Wawrinka match, which could have got very edgy, showed that he has learned that being calm and positive helps him, and in a way his comments confirm that.

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Re: Murray strolls into second round « Reply #31 on: July 30, 2012, 09:55 PM »
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I think you're right tj ie that Andy doesn't need Lendl actually to be there now to be calm and positive on court.   But I guess the real test will come if he gets in real trouble, which he wasn't yesterday even though I don't go along with the 'strolling' theory.  One good thing though he didn't really beat himself up over the 2 dfs, which once upon a time I think he would have done even in the context of a match he was winning.
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Re: Murray strolls into second round « Reply #32 on: July 30, 2012, 10:08 PM »
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Thanks for posting Andys quote Aileen. I'm so impressed by him sharing his experiences and how they affected him.  I'm happy that he's getting some positive response from that public.
It takes great courage for public person to openly admit they have matured. 

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Re: Murray strolls into second round « Reply #33 on: July 30, 2012, 11:13 PM »
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Hi All
 
Marjorie ORR,posted this today
Andy Murray,does have tr Jupiter moving across his 10TH now which is a success indicator though losing the Doubles could well have been tr Neptune opposing his Mars/Pluto which is muddled and devestating and that runs right through till mid August.However he does get an exceptionally helpful,hopeful and enthusiastic tr Jupiter trine his Sun/Mars from today through this week.So he looks in good spirits with high energy.
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Re: Murray strolls into second round « Reply #34 on: July 31, 2012, 10:55 AM »
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I think you're right tj ie that Andy doesn't need Lendl actually to be there now to be calm and positive on court.   But I guess the real test will come if he gets in real trouble, which he wasn't yesterday even though I don't go along with the 'strolling' theory.  One good thing though he didn't really beat himself up over the 2 dfs, which once upon a time I think he would have done even in the context of a match he was winning.

Agree completely Ruthie. I must admit I was waiting for the frustration to show over the df's, but he really just got on with it.

It's interesting about Andy's reaction to mistakes even when he is winning. The other day I watched the Roddick semi final from Queen's last year again. As we will all know, Andy played incredibly well that day, it was virtually flawless. However, those odd times he made mistakes were interesting to see. The disgust with himself was obvious, even in the context of winning and playing so well.

I think what he has come to terms with, or at least is coming to terms with now, is that he can't be perfect all the time, that he will sometimes miss. The important thing is how he handles that and moves forward.

Sure, to be truthful, although I wouldn't have called it a stroll against Stan, I never sensed Andy was in danger of losing, and maybe the test will be if/when Andy faces a sterner test. However, I do think that he has realised the importance of being calm and positive now, and I think it is a big step forward for him.
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Re: Murray strolls into second round « Reply #35 on: July 31, 2012, 11:24 AM »
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Agree completely Ruthie. I must admit I was waiting for the frustration to show over the df's, but he really just got on with it.

It's interesting about Andy's reaction to mistakes even when he is winning. The other day I watched the Roddick semi final from Queen's last year again. As we will all know, Andy played incredibly well that day, it was virtually flawless. However, those odd times he made mistakes were interesting to see. The disgust with himself was obvious, even in the context of winning and playing so well.

I think what he has come to terms with, or at least is coming to terms with now, is that he can't be perfect all the time, that he will sometimes miss. The important thing is how he handles that and moves forward.

Sure, to be truthful, although I wouldn't have called it a stroll against Stan, I never sensed Andy was in danger of losing, and maybe the test will be if/when Andy faces a sterner test. However, I do think that he has realised the importance of being calm and positive now, and I think it is a big step forward for him.
yes let's hope this does mark a real turning point tj.  Though must admit there's part of me that fears we might be falling into the trap of his detractors always waiting for him to slip up and show his frustrations again.  And in fact practically every player does at some point, even if not so vocally and obviously.  Even smugfed who supposedly floats above life's frustrations has shown how he can lose it at times.  So we mustn't be too hard on Andy if he does slip off the tight rope at times.
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