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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #30 on: May 17, 2012, 08:56 PM »
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Andy has a problem he should recognise this and move on. It is not helping him and his fans.

If the back is that back forget RG and rest ready for Queens and Wimbledon. I do not T hink it is just the injury. Lendl is not a coach perhaps a mentor but not like Cahill, a worry.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #31 on: May 17, 2012, 09:09 PM »
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I have tickets for the O2 this year and I hope this Andy doesn't show up.  there has been so many disappointments this year.  its so hard to take in.  after that first set  I was v sure that he going to win  but as usual  he can't be bothered  tanks the 2nd set  loses concentration and confidence and loses the whole match.  WTF!
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #32 on: May 17, 2012, 09:14 PM »
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Thanks for your honest and imho fair report boogers.  It would have been easy for you to be brutal.
Physical issues can be fixed (altho hoping it's muscular and not something more serious).
Mental issues.. well.. not so easy.
Love my boy, but today even I wasn't a fan.

You've said it all for me, scotnadian.  Boogers has just shown he can be merciful - something I doubt many of his fans could have been after that show of disgraceful, petulant behaviour.

I've no doubt his back was sore after the Nalbandian match.  It would have stretched the fittest player to the limit, and Andy obviously wasn't after a lay-off "resting".  Perhaps a pity that he didn't get an easier opponent for his first match, but players have to take the rough with the smooth.  

If he does have an ongoing problem with his back, then why did he not do what grabcopy, unfortunately jokingly, suggested, i.e. skip the clay-court season, since clay is murder on the back, and get the problem sorted out?  Even a muscle problem will keep on flaring up unless properly treated.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #33 on: May 17, 2012, 09:16 PM »
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I wouldn't pull the rip cord yet and declare Andy's season a washout just yet. We all want Andy to peak for the slams and there's still 3 to be played. Losing in Rome is a setback but not a complete disaster by any means. There was this guy called Nadal who lost to Vedasco in Madrid...
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #34 on: May 17, 2012, 09:25 PM »
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^yeah, right enough, Verdasco blue Nadal away.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #35 on: May 17, 2012, 09:30 PM »
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http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Murray-Thursday.aspx

“It was long match and I had a sore back towards the end but I was expecting that coming to the tournament,” he said. “I didn’t take a break because I’ve been training and playing a lot but the muscles are more tired and fatigued.

“I don't want to go into detail here about it and the treatment but it’s been there for a while – since December. You wait for the right moment and then there is the French Open and then Wimbledon and then the US Open coming up and there is not much time for rest – anything goes. The best time to do it is now so when the French Open comes up I will be in peak condition.”

Murray will now have over a week in Paris ahead of a gruelling Grand Slam competition, and has even missed out on the chance to see his beloved football team Hibernian play on the Scottish Cup on Saturday in order not to disrupt his plans.


“It is good to get some extra days break and I was planning on going to Paris straight away and start to practice as the Grand Slam start in nine days,” he said. “I want to make sure I get practicing and getting into the gym and the first days there you are not doing too much, just getting into shape and understanding the conditions.

“Sometimes things get better when you play on them or you have an extended break but when you identify the problem then experience helps you. I have had three long matches and one was 2 hours 40 and today's was a good test and I did relatively well.”

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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #36 on: May 17, 2012, 10:00 PM »
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I have tickets for the O2 this year and I hope this Andy doesn't show up.  there has been so many disappointments this year.  its so hard to take in.   after that first set  I was v sure that he going to win  but as usual  he can't be bothered  tanks the 2nd set  loses concentration and confidence and loses the whole match.  WTF!
Oh come on Jk - can't be bothered?  That's just the kind of comment that drives me mad.  But am pleased that boogers' match report didn't live down to expectations so I take back my earlier remark.
Perhaps the 'disgraceful petulant behaviour' to which Aileen refers was in the section I missed as not sure exactly what it refers to.  
Must admit I don't fully understand what Andy trying to say in the quotes from his match interview posted above.  But it does seem that the back was a key factor and that is a real worry.  Perhaps his fans should be showing more concern rather than rushing to castigate him.
 
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #37 on: May 17, 2012, 10:03 PM »
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I have tickets for the O2 this year and I hope this Andy doesn't show up.  there has been so many disappointments this year.  its so hard to take in.  after that first set  I was v sure that he going to win  but as usual  he can't be bothered  tanks the 2nd set  loses concentration and confidence and loses the whole match.  WTF!
MY MY MY... You of all people. no
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #38 on: May 18, 2012, 12:05 AM »
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Providing Andy's back problem isn't a serious problem going forward I'm not concerned about this defeat one bit..I thought he played some good tennis in the first set and let's not forget played an extremely tough and mentally tiring match in the last round after a lay off. Six competitive sets in Rome is decent preparation for RG and losing to a quality player like Gasquet is hardly a surprise or something to be ashamed of on a surface which Andy has never thrived on. This wasn't a 'Donald Young' or 'Bogomolov Jr' type of defeat..
My one concern is that I'd hoped Lendl would instill more of a killer instinct into Andy's game, I've always felt he isn't as good a front runner as the other top players and is vulnerable for some reason after going ahead in a match. It's still early days I guess and I had decided not to judge Lendl's influence until much later this year.
I feel that last year's decent showing on the clay has built up people's expectations way too high, it should be remembered that the draws were kind to Andy last year and he didn't beat anyone of note really. In his entire career he has only beaten  one top ten player on clay. My attitude to this part of the season is that any match win is a bonus, get through it if possible with his body intact and look forward to the rest of the year.
Keep the faith people, the rest of 2012 will be great..as for the French Open, we need to hope for a kind draw and Andy is capable of reaching the second week there as he is a great match player and more difficult to beat over 5 sets (as Mr Gasquet himself has found out in the past)!
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #39 on: May 18, 2012, 12:26 AM »
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I hope the back issue is not serious; maybe going out here early is good, and Andy should get some rest - i.e, not practice and/or overtrain.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #40 on: May 18, 2012, 01:38 AM »
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I have tickets for the O2 this year and I hope this Andy doesn't show up.  there has been so many disappointments this year.  its so hard to take in.  after that first set  I was v sure that he going to win  but as usual  he can't be bothered  tanks the 2nd set  loses concentration and confidence and loses the whole match.  WTF!

Well that would be a shame.  I'm sure you'll get to see some great tennis.

I will be booking my tickets for Oz later this year without knowing who's going to be still playing when I get there but apart from some WTA tennis and a certain other person, then I'll not mind Very Happy  Any Andy action will be a bonus yes

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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #41 on: May 18, 2012, 01:49 AM »
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Andy Murray has lost his third round match at the Italian Open to 16th seed Richard Gasquet 7-6(1) 3-6 2-6. The Scot has suffered a dismal clay court season so far and today's performance did little to instill confidence ahead of the French Open.

The first set started well for Murray, who immediately earned three break points on Gasquets opening service game. Unfortunately he failed to convert any of them, setting the trend for the rest of the set. The Scot continued to spurn break points, earning and then losing ten in succession before finally breaking at the eleventh time of asking.

Murray held his lead until serving for the set when, predictably, he threw in a howler of a service game to gift the break back to his opponent. The subsequent tiebreak was surprisingly easy for the Scot, cantering through with the loss of a single point.

With Murray's apparent superiority on serve and Gasquet's famous mental strength (unkindly likened to a fermented dairy product), few pundits would have predicted what was about to transpire in the second and third sets.

The gurning, swearing, irritable, listless Murray made a dramatic re-appearance and his previously solid game imploded. Gasquet found uncommon mental resolve and demonstrated a delightful range of shot.

The nature of this defeat raises further question about Murray's fitness (he has been nursing a back injury, but refused to use this as an excuse in the post mach press conference) and the influence of Lendl.

Murray will next make an appearance at Roland Garros. On evidence so far this year, he'll be doing well to progress to the second week.

No too harsh really.

Stats show that this was lost with a poor serve % and missed opportunities on the break points.  Not sure what the UE count was but overall, Richard won 8 points more than Andy.

Andy isn't beating himself up about the loss so I guess others shouldn't either.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #42 on: May 18, 2012, 04:03 AM »
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What mcenroeforever said “My attitude to this part of the season is that any match win is a bonus, get through it if possible with his body intact and look forward to the rest of the year.” Sounds good to me.

Otherwise, hope Andy will get rest and the proper treatment for his back.  Maybe if he follows the best advice he can get in that department, he can be in tip top shape for the French Open.  It will be analysed to bits here on MW but how to proceed is something he will decide for himself.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #43 on: May 18, 2012, 06:23 AM »
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I am, of course, disappointed with this result.  Unfortunately I was unable to watch the match but from what I have read he played pretty well and only seemed to have trouble serving and moving as usual.  This would clearly point to a back problem. Hopefully he can sort this out before RG and certainly before the grass season.

He says he is in much the same position as he was last year.  Well this year he has in fact done better.  3 finals, 1 win, 1 semi, 2 qtr finals and 780 more points than last year.

I am holding my breathe over whether Lendl is going to make a difference.  I just wish he would not keep swanning off elsewhere and be totally commited as is Novak, Fed, and Nadal's coaches.  I know that it can take some time for a new coach to make a difference.  I would be interested to know why Andy's serve is suffering although it could be the back problem.

As for his frustration at least he did not break is racquet as Novak did(who incidentally damaged the hallowed turf at Wimbledon last year, much to the annoyance of the groundsmen).

I personally am sick of the critiscism of Andy's behavior as he is no worse than most of the others.

One of the pepers actually said that it wasn't that Andy played badly but that Gasquet had one of his good days.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #44 on: May 18, 2012, 08:09 AM »
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Oh come on Jk - can't be bothered?  That's just the kind of comment that drives me mad.  But am pleased that boogers' match report didn't live down to expectations so I take back my earlier remark.
Perhaps the 'disgraceful petulant behaviour' to which Aileen refers was in the section I missed as not sure exactly what it refers to. 
Must admit I don't fully understand what Andy trying to say in the quotes from his match interview posted above.  But it does seem that the back was a key factor and that is a real worry.  Perhaps his fans should be showing more concern rather than rushing to castigate him.
 
Well said Ruthie. He certainly seemed to have a problem and at the time I thought it was a mental one but he was playing very good tennis some of the time. That he was still troubled with the back injury indicated the cause as far as I am concerned. Wimbledon, Olympics etc would have made him very anxious about the injury's continued effect. Let's hope it is muscular and not a cartilege problem.
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