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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #45 on: May 18, 2012, 08:13 AM »
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That statement makes me very, very angry!!  So it looks like Andy chose to opt out of Madrid so's he could train, and presumably practise, whilst telling everyone that he was resting a back injury on "doctors' advice"?  Well he did say he didn't fancy playing on the blue clay, and knowing what we know now, that was probably just as well.  Actually I'm even more angry because he didn't take a rest.  When will he ever learn that too much training and practice is actually doing him more harm than good?  In this respect workaholic Lendl was definitely not the best choice of a coach.

Please also spare us the "peak condition" BS.  If the mystery back problem (why the secrecy?) is that bad, how can just a few days' rest before RG do any good?  Far better to give the whole thing a miss,  and focus on Queens and Wimbledon.
Aileen, Andy has repeatedly said in interviews this week that he didn't play tennis for 10 days after Barcelona and only started practicing when he came to Rome and before his 1st match had only played 1 set games in practice, his back was obviously sore and this would have had some affect on his serve. It will take a little while to to get back to full fitness. I for one believe Andy not some article.
Regarding Lendl he was hired knowing he wouldn't be with Andy at all the tournaments, but Cahill was there.
I would also like to point out that Gasquet beat Federer at the same stage last year in Rome!
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #46 on: May 18, 2012, 08:59 AM »
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Reflecting on this overnight I'm really quite worried now about this back business.  It helps explain why Andy's serve has been so poor for so much of the time this year [I know he's always been up and down with it but it does seem to have been more down than up recently and if he's serving in a way which tries to prevent pain or aggravating the problem it's bound to affect it].  A rest after Barcelona hasn't sorted it [and Michelle thanks for clarifying he did have a rest - after all we know he came home so I don't know what you're on about Aileen and you seem to have been accusing Andy of lying, which I find surprising].  I think he's worried himself, but is trying not to show it, and that would help explain his rather incoherent press conference.  How can he possibly go into RG in peak condition when it's just over a week away and his back is troubling him now?  [I agree with you there Aileen]. I read today he couldn't even sit down at the changeovers towards the end of the match.  At least grass will be kinder to the back.
Andy isn't someone who normally uses injury to excuse his performance so the fact he's talking about the back does suggest to me it's serious (or serious enough to impede his game), even if not serious enough to prevent him playing altogether.  [And I can quite understand that he doesn't want to give out details to the world.]  I therefore find it depressing that some of his fairweather fans don't seem to believe him and also are turning on Lendl so quickly (who incidentally joined Andy on the explicit basis that he wouldn't travel with him the whole year so he can hardly be criticised for 'swanning off' now -sorry just noticed you also pointed that out Michelle as well as the fact Cahill still helping him when Lendl not around).  
Whether he should pull out of RG and concentrate on the grass I don't know.  It's a big decision to take.  But while the loss to Gasquet was disappointing I think it's a blessing in disguise as playing the terrier on clay could only make the back worse.  
So I'm  nervous .
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #47 on: May 18, 2012, 09:53 AM »
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- agree Ruthie, I am also worried about de back issue, we don't know what's the matter, we only know that its troubeling him  from december (5 months). Hope he will get soon over it!!
- its too early start the discussion about the lendl effect, espacilly considering the effects of the injury. And besides; changing things takes time to find out what's going to work.
- let's try to not jump into conclusione too quickly, (SF AO is no so far away...).
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #48 on: May 18, 2012, 09:55 AM »
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Oh come on Jk - can't be bothered?  That's just the kind of comment that drives me mad.  But am pleased that boogers' match report didn't live down to expectations so I take back my earlier remark.
Perhaps the 'disgraceful petulant behaviour' to which Aileen refers was in the section I missed as not sure exactly what it refers to.  
Must admit I don't fully understand what Andy trying to say in the quotes from his match interview posted above.  But it does seem that the back was a key factor and that is a real worry.  Perhaps his fans should be showing more concern rather than rushing to castigate him.
 
he's always  injured some way of another.  too much complaining.  he has to man up.   I have put him to win every single clay tournament this year and so far he hasn't even made it past the QF.  very unimpressed.   Its so uncomfortable to watch him play.  Remember the days when Andy used to play brilliant tennis  and used to bagel and BS  people  in STRAIGHT SETS.  Clay or no Clay.  he's number 4 in the world.  this shouldn't be happening. Players ranked below him are playing SO much better than him  like Berdych.  Usually I'm really excited when a GS comes around.  This time I'm not feeling any kind of excitement or hope.  nothing.  I'm not even sure if the grass season will be any different.  This is what we should get to see.  This performance was outstanding from him.  The real Andy Murray.

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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #49 on: May 18, 2012, 10:31 AM »
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he's always  injured some way of another.  too much complaining.  he has to man up.  I have put him to win every single clay tournament this year and so far he hasn't even made it past the QF.  very unimpressed.   Its so uncomfortable to watch him play.  Remember the days when Andy used to play brilliant tennis  and used to bagel and BS  people  in STRAIGHT SETS.  Clay or no Clay.  he's number 4 in the world.  this shouldn't be happening. Players ranked below him are playing SO much better than him  like Berdych.  Usually I'm really excited when a GS comes around.  This time I'm not feeling any kind of excitement or hope.  nothing.  I'm not even sure if the grass season will be any different.  This is what we should get to see.  This performance was outstanding from him.  The real Andy Murray.

I hope you're joking when you say you had Andy to win every single clay tournament this year...  unsure
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #50 on: May 18, 2012, 10:39 AM »
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I hope you're joking when you say you had Andy to win every single clay tournament this year...  unsure
I'm not joking.  My belief for him won't go away.  Its killing me.  I just wish that Andy would share the same belief that I have for him.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #51 on: May 18, 2012, 11:31 AM »
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Actually I'm even more angry because he didn't take a rest.  When will he ever learn that too much training and practice is actually doing him more harm than good?  In this respect workaholic Lendl was definitely not the best choice of a coach.



I believe Andy said in interview that he didn't pick up a racquet for 10 days - that's about as long a rest as he could have hoped to have taken if he was intending to play in Rome.  What he probably needs is a prolonged rest of a couple of months to put his back right.  He obviously can't do that in the middle of what is probably the most important year of his tennis career, so damage limitation with short periods of rest is the order of the day.  I really didn't expect him to win yesterday given the way he walked off court on Tuesday evening so I was actually encouraged by his performance in the first set.  I just wish Andy well and hope that continuing to play through injury doesn't do any long term damage - it just isn't worth it in my view.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #52 on: May 18, 2012, 11:59 AM »
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I agree with the part of JK's post re "the real Andy Murray". I am sure that he is in there somewhere, we just havent seen much of it lately. Let's hope something can trigger its return very soon.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #53 on: May 18, 2012, 12:05 PM »
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Well jk perhaps you need to look at your own expectations.  Andy is a flawed human being like the rest of us and if you put him on a pedastal you'll find he has feet of clay.   I'm not a tennis player but I can quite see that a bad back will impede your service game and that was the main problem yesterday.  Some of the shot making was the Andy of old.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #54 on: May 18, 2012, 12:11 PM »
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[email protected] "man up" what are you talking about? Do you expect him to go on and on playing till he does himself a permanent injury and can't play tennis any more? doh
All players get injuries- Rafa was out for nearly a year, Delpot for months etc. Anyone would think Andy was losing matches to spite his fans. In fact, although his serve and movement were clearly compromised against Gasquet, I thought he played pretty well, standing inside the court and taking the ball early.
We need to cut Andy some slack and hope that his back gets better in time for Wimbledon and the US hard court season.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #55 on: May 18, 2012, 12:19 PM »
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We will see the real Andy again once the grass season comes around, similar in a way that Rafa thrives on clay and appears to be returning back to his old self on the run to RG every year. There's always the next tournament for things to turnaround.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #56 on: May 18, 2012, 12:35 PM »
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Blueberry Hill, Syc123 and Ruthie

You have restored my faith in this site loving your posts.  To talk about Andy needing to “man up” some folk on here need to “wise up”.

He obviously has a sore back – he can’t account for this in his calendar it happens – let’s just hope it’s something that he can learn to deal with and make allowances for in his play.  I watched both yesterday and the Nalby match – Andy’s shot making was breathtaking – that is not the sign of a poor player – class is permanent form is temporary……….

Okay his clay court season has been disappointing but Andy’s time is on grass and hard court, on a hard court he can hit shots that defy belief, he can take the time away from his opponent and because of his tennis brain he sees things quickly and can play to this advantage.  The poor guy has had a few bad results, now we know this is being impeded by a long term back injury.  My feelings are that yesterday he was so frustrated in Sets 2 and 3 by the back injury impeding his service motion that he got rattled by it.  As most of us know on here, Andy is not a “McEnroe” his is usually well behaved, polite and considerate – pain can do funny things to a person.  Especially back pain – trust me my better half has constant back pain since a work accident which resulted in a broken back – there are days when his personality changes so much due to the level of pain that he has to deal with – I know this is an extreme case but just trying to make my point.

Let’s cut this bloke some slack because one thing is for sure as bad and as worried as we all feel – think about Andy – he will be feeling it 10 times worse and we know that he will do everything in his power to improve.  Remember those dark post AO days in 2011 look what happened after that – he came surging back.

With regard to the Lendl partnership – I think it is far too early to be making judgements – he was obviously a help to Andy at the AO and remember that is what he was brought in for – let’s just wait and see what post Wimbledon brings.

With regard to his No.4 ranking he has consistently been No. 4 in the World over the past 4 years (a wee blip when Soderling bypassed him – this lasted what – two weeks).  Although Andy may be inconsistent in relation to the three people above him – he is very consistent over the people below him.  If Andy can control this injury he will be fine. 

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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #57 on: May 18, 2012, 12:44 PM »
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  clap  MM, syc and bbh [at risk of appearing like mutual admiration society!]
just to add:  the effect of the back on the serve is probably not just about avoiding pain but about avoiding aggravating whatever the problem is.  This could inhibit his service movement considerably.   The idea that he could 'man up' and overcome it is laughable.
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #58 on: May 18, 2012, 01:11 PM »
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just tell me how  the grass court or hard court season will be better?!.  where is the evidence?  You can't be positive all the time you know.  and if he is injured (supposedly has been injured since the AO) then why the f**k is he playing all these tournaments.?! I would rather have a healthy Andy  then a Andy who is depressed, hurt and fed up.  Why didn't he tell us about this injury sooner?!   it makes no sense to me
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Re: Lackluster Murray loses to Gasquet « Reply #59 on: May 18, 2012, 01:21 PM »
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There are already some (not necessarily here but elsewhere) are of the opinion that the appointment of Lendl is not reaping the benefits. It takes time for a player/coach relationship to development and blossom.

Some deliver instant results and others take a bit longer. When Federer appointed Annacone, he enjoyed some good early results, however if you discount his recent hot run what he really wants is to add to his 16 GS count and it hasn't happened yet. Should Roger have got rid of him by now? Roger may still be picking up Masters 1000s and WTFs but is still coming up short against Rafa/Novak in slams but if Annacone was judged on delivering slam wins, he should have been long gone by now but Roger sees this as a longer term project.

Caroline Wozniacki since appointing a new coach and then ditching him to go back to her father has seen her career regress - this is an example when knee jerk reaction can backfire.

I've always maintained that the upcoming grass/US stretch is where we will get a true measure of whether the appointment of Ivan is the right thing for Andy.
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