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Posted on: May 25, 2012, 06:02 PM
Posted by: AFT
I have been underwhelmed by Nadal's much vaunted return to form and Novak's form this clay court season.
The Rome final was crap and not a great example of the incredible level of tenacity & determination that Andy has to attain.
If you had said the AO final, I may have agreed with you more given the marathon of ball bashing that took place. Nevertheless Andy's match with Novak was of a higher standard in my view although it took a long time to get there.
Andy will have learn to dig deep and not fear the pain it brings in order to take on Nadal and Novak and also not fear to be uber aggressive, he is slowly getting there.

You make a lot of sense, but I am still hopeful that Andy could get it together by the US Open. As long as he doesn't have to start on the Wednesday, there are courts without potholes and he avoids a few hurricanes there is no reason why he can't make it to the final. And then you never know.
I think a good showing at Wimbledon and any kind of medal at the same place a month later would really spur him on.

If the Nadal & Joko Rome final was crap then all Andy has to do is play as crappy as they did! The objective is to win and that's all that counts. We all know that Andy has talent and so do many others in the queue but there is no sense in giving him praise for his game when it fails to produce the results with the top three. Tennis is not going to go back to the serve and volley game just yet so we have to put up with the slam dunks whether we like it or not. Federer has a beautiful game but he has difficulties with the bully boys too. If you can't beat them join them.
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 11:01 AM
Posted by: Bevc
lmao
Hey Bev.. off topic, but wanted to ask you if you'd heard of a chocolate-mint plant before? (I think you like chocolate Think).
I bought a wee seedling a couple of days ago and just planted it.  Going to make some choc-mint Mojitos ... you in??

I have been known to sample a bit of chocolate now and again Whistle but not heard of that at all. After eights in plant form Little tongue man
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 03:28 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
^ Nite Aileen... signing off on Canadian time at 10:30pm... I'm up at 6:00am to see Andy.  wave zz
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 03:20 AM
Posted by: Aileen
Morning, Bev

I'm at my home computer finalising a set of accounts for a client; seeing your post I just wanted to say hello
Welcome as a temporary member of the Night Brigade.  Now you see why I can't get to my bed at a respectable hour!
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 02:49 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
...I'd like to see some of today's players in those shorts and using that tennis racket. yes Little tongue man
lmao
Hey Bev.. off topic, but wanted to ask you if you'd heard of a chocolate-mint plant before? (I think you like chocolate Think).
I bought a wee seedling a couple of days ago and just planted it.  Going to make some choc-mint Mojitos ... you in??
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 02:46 AM
Posted by: Bevc
wave  Hi OSS

Just having lunch - a bit late for me today as I was helping someone sort something out for our website Very Happy
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 02:44 AM
Posted by: OldScotSupport
Morning, Bev

I'm at my home computer finalising a set of accounts for a client; seeing your post I just wanted to say hello
Posted on: May 24, 2012, 02:36 AM
Posted by: Bevc
Yes that match, and the ensuing interview, were very unpleasant and regrettable, but - hey! - Andy's on-court behaviour/attitude has improved considerably since he took Lendl on board.  Either that or you and Bodo have been watching different matches from the ones I have.  Against Gasquet Andy was frustrated, tired and apparently in pain, so the old Andy resurfaced.  Long-term bad habits can take a while to eradicate.

The big difference between McEnroe (and Connors) was that their tantrums never seemed to put them off their game.  Andy's, unfortunately, do.

I'm sure that their frustrations got the better of them sometimes but hey, I'm no tennis player and I have no idea how it feels to be out there. Very Happy

Going back to the clip though, I'd like to see some of today's players in those shorts and using that tennis racket. yes Little tongue man
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 12:35 PM
Posted by: theycanbillme
When you see how the Rome final went and how much of a slugfest it was you wonder how Andy is ever going to get a grand slam under his belt. He will have to change his attitude to the game radically. Nadal and Jocko are completely focussed and obsessed with winning and their physical ability is amazing. Nadal for the French open methinks. Unless of course Andy thinks otherwise!!

I have been underwhelmed by Nadal's much vaunted return to form and Novak's form this clay court season.
The Rome final was crap and not a great example of the incredible level of tenacity & determination that Andy has to attain.
If you had said the AO final, I may have agreed with you more given the marathon of ball bashing that took place. Nevertheless Andy's match with Novak was of a higher standard in my view although it took a long time to get there.
Andy will have learn to dig deep and not fear the pain it brings in order to take on Nadal and Novak and also not fear to be uber aggressive, he is slowly getting there.

y.aI think we should all forget about murray winning a Grand Salem this year. he is not fit enough and not mentally prepared. I realised this when i saw the final in Rome,the determination and the will to win from both players was there to see.

I think the media should get off his back and leave him alone and he has to be more determined and agressive. It is getting more difficult each day. i would love Murray to get a Grand Salem. Lendl can help him he was a very agressive player and had such determination
to win and worked so hard just like Andy. It will come but we re too impatient

You make a lot of sense, but I am still hopeful that Andy could get it together by the US Open. As long as he doesn't have to start on the Wednesday, there are courts without potholes and he avoids a few hurricanes there is no reason why he can't make it to the final. And then you never know.
I think a good showing at Wimbledon and any kind of medal at the same place a month later would really spur him on.
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 12:28 PM
Posted by: michelle
I really hope Andy doesn't read all the rubbish that is written about him - everyone seems to have an opinion and most of it negative.  There really does seem to be one rule for him and another for every other player on the tour.  What I wouldn't give for Andy to have a run like Djoko had last year and put all their gasses at a peep - hope springs eternal!!!!
Me too. I will rub their bl...dy noses in it.
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 11:56 AM
Posted by: Alis
I really hope Andy doesn't read all the rubbish that is written about him - everyone seems to have an opinion and most of it negative.  There really does seem to be one rule for him and another for every other player on the tour.  What I wouldn't give for Andy to have a run like Djoko had last year and put all their gasses at a peep - hope springs eternal!!!!
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 11:40 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
^Michelle.. I and other columnists are referring to the actual entire match.
I mostly agree with you about the interview.
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 08:03 AM
Posted by: michelle
Yes that match, and the ensuing interview, were very unpleasant and regrettable, but - hey! - Andy's on-court behaviour/attitude has improved considerably since he took Lendl on board.  Either that or you and Bodo have been watching different matches from the ones I have.  Against Gasquet Andy was frustrated, tired and apparently in pain, so the old Andy resurfaced.  Long-term bad habits can take a while to eradicate.

The big difference between McEnroe (and Connors) was that their tantrums never seemed to put them off their game.  Andy's, unfortunately, do.
I agree with you Aileen. Please give Andy some slack. Don't think Nole has exactly covered himself in glory lately, 2 rackets smashed, swearing etc. Thought the interview only showed a young man in pain and fed up with the questions re his back. I wonder how we would be in a similar situation, I think far worse.
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 06:42 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Mac turned his anger outwards and used it to fire himself up. Andy turns his anger inwards, doesn't appear to have the same effect.
I saw Mac playing veteran doubles quite recently. Didn't get cross !
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 02:18 AM
Posted by: Aileen
Peter Bodo article.  http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2012/05/around-the-world-may-21.html
Wish I didn't agree with him, but after watching what I call 'that goddamn match' regretfully I do.
His parting remark is so true.
C'mon Andy... c'mon! We are all cheering for you... Come back to us, please! pray clap
Yes that match, and the ensuing interview, were very unpleasant and regrettable, but - hey! - Andy's on-court behaviour/attitude has improved considerably since he took Lendl on board.  Either that or you and Bodo have been watching different matches from the ones I have.  Against Gasquet Andy was frustrated, tired and apparently in pain, so the old Andy resurfaced.  Long-term bad habits can take a while to eradicate.

The big difference between McEnroe (and Connors) was that their tantrums never seemed to put them off their game.  Andy's, unfortunately, do.
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 02:01 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
I absolutely love then genius of Johnny Mac too Bev... I couldn't wait to see what he would do or say next. But I think he was the same off court as he was on...he seemed to be a 'What-you-see-is-what-you-get-pal..-so-deal-with it!' sort of person.  I also remember most of his rages were over "the ball was in!" in the days before hawkeye.
Andy confuses me. confused He reminds me of a road-rage driver at times. Fine until he gets behind the wheel.
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 01:50 AM
Posted by: Bevc
Andy's not a patch on this guy, and I love him to bits too! tender

Posted on: May 23, 2012, 01:41 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
Peter Bodo article.  http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2012/05/around-the-world-may-21.html
Wish I didn't agree with him, but after watching what I call 'that goddamn match' regretfully I do.
His parting remark is so true.
C'mon Andy... c'mon! We are all cheering for you... Come back to us, please! pray clap

"Andy Murray has really struggled ever since he lost the Miami Masters final to Djokovic and left the American shores. He hasn't made a semfinal since then, losing to Tomas Berdych (Monte Carlo), Milos Raonic (Barcelona), and Richard Gasquet (Rome). That wouldn't be enough to earn a thumbs down in and of itself; every pro hits mediocre times now and then. It was the way Murray lost to Gasquet that was so irritating and. .  . amateurish.
 
We all know that Murray gets into funks, screams at his box, beats on himself. But one of the main reasons that former No. 1 and Hall of Famer Ivan Lendl decided to sign on as Murray's coach was to help the world No. 4 develop a greater degree of self-control. And that wasn't merely because Lendl, a hard case himself, wanted Murray to become a more pleasant citizen of the tennis world. Lendl hoped to convince Murray that he needs to show his opponents a tough, professional, preferably inscrutable face. You might even say he wanted to play the father figure who convinced the gifted Murray to grow up. Could it be that Lendl has been wasting his time?
 
Given the nature of the game, a player is full control of only a few things, the most obvious of which is his serve. But he also can control himself, and the way that the scowling, potty-mouthed Murray has failed to throttle his sour moods and reactions only adds to the growing narrative that he doesn't deserve to be spoken of as part of a Big Four. Maybe this show ought to be called Three and a Half Men.
 
It's a shame, because Murray is a really compelling player and a very decent, down-to-earth guy".
Posted on: May 23, 2012, 12:01 AM
Posted by: Aileen
y.aI think we should all forget about murray winning a Grand Salem this year. he is not fit enough and not mentally prepared. I realised this when i saw the final in Rome,the determination and the will to win from both players was there to see.

I think the media should get off his back and leave him alone and he has to be more determined and agressive. It is getting more difficult each day. i would love Murray to get a Grand Salem. Lendl can help him he was a very agressive player and had such determination
to win and worked so hard just like Andy. It will come but we re too impatient
I never rated his chances of a Slam win this year as being very high anyway, and certainly not at RG, although more on the mental level than the fitness one because Murray is one of the fittest players on the Tour - and how do we know how fit he currently is, or is likely to be, when all we have to go on is some unspecified back injury?

I think on the whole the media do leave him alone - it's only come Wimbledon that it all starts, but I reckon there's more chance of stopping the incoming tide than that annual frenzy, and I can't believe it doesn't affect him.  He says he even has them camping outside his house, something which must make life very difficult.

Posted on: May 22, 2012, 10:30 PM
Posted by: Katie
y.aI think we should all forget about murray winning a Grand Salem this year. he is not fit enough and not mentally prepared. I realised this when i saw the final in Rome,the determination and the will to win from both players was there to see.

I think the media should get off his back and leave him alone and he has to be more determined and agressive. It is getting more difficult each day. i would love Murray to get a Grand Salem. Lendl can help him he was a very agressive player and had such determination
to win and worked so hard just like Andy. It will come but we re too impatient

I don't think his chances have changed that much at Wimbledon and the US Open - for me, he's definitely still a leading contender at those two slams. I wouldn't read too much into his clay court performances, he often has mediocre clay seasons (last year excepted) but usually rebounds strongly on grass. Wimbledon is often very good for Andy as he always seems to serve well there.