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Elly
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2009, 08:58 PM »
Quote from: pggtips on July 05, 2009, 08:53 PM
Although I have made the point that Andy has been too passive especially after the Australian Open, I don't think that was the case on Friday, he simply didn't make enough 1st serves, nor did he return serve well enough.
You do neither of these two things well enough and you aren't going to win slams, that for me was more fundamental than what he was doing during the rallies.
p.s. after watching the final I have to admit that Andy would not have withstood the pressure situations as well as Roddick did.
Roddick was brilliant today, shame he didn't win.
Federer and humble = heehee, yeah having 15 stitched to his jacket, dearie me
Good points re Andy's match on Friday.
I'm quite disgusted at how smug Federer has become. No denying his achievements for one minute, but he's created a bit of a monster along the way. None of the greats that I can think back to have ever been so full of themselves. He may go down as GOAT, but not as a very likeable human being.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2009, 08:59 PM »
Even my Mam (Who sees the good in everyone!) turned to me today and said she thought Federer was arrogant in victory. She just kept saying 'Aw that poor Roddick'.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2009, 09:00 PM »
Quote from: Sarah_ on July 05, 2009, 08:59 PM
Even my Mam (Who sees the good in everyone!) turned to me today and said she thought Federer was arrogant in victory. She just kept saying 'Aw that poor Roddick'.
Yer Mam's a wise woman.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2009, 04:18 AM »
How did Andy become No 3, have awinning record against top ten for three years, having a 6:2 winnig record against Roger. With a game that some yank says is some what lacking.
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« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2009, 06:53 AM »
Andy,
Love you to bits!! Almost had a nervous breakdown last week!!
Your skill on the court is amazing but your serving.....well??
Not consistant.....just over 40% of first serves in? Second serve not worth mentioning!!
Work on your serve....possibly better with Roddick's coach...or swallow your pride and go back to Brad Gilbert
....the two Muppets supporting you are "good time guys" but you'll never win a major with "Bill & Ben" cramping
your style....
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2009, 09:50 AM »
Looking at the tour calendar, I've just realised that this period of no tournaments for Andy is the first time all year that he's had more than a week off between events!
Glad to see that he's relaxing and having driving lessons, should help to clear his mind a little and recharge the batteries for a push into the second half of the year - traditionally his strongest period.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2009, 10:13 AM »
I kinda agree with Stefanki, but in the context of the last year or so, Murray really started to play more aggressive tennis.
I can't help but think that one of the reason he doesn't play more aggressive is that he doesn't have complete confidence in his groundstrokes. Even though they looked good last week I still took him about a set to get them properly pumping. Bizzarely his forehand looked better than his backhand for much of the week.
Another thing that was overlooked was that Andy barely approached the net all week. Considering how poor his second serve was against Rod, he could have mixed it up by coming in on the second serve, or taking a bit of pace off his first [sliced out wide or something] and move in on that. He could also have moved in on some of his stronger groundstokes [like stefanki said] and closed out the points much earlier, but his mentality is still very much that of a counterpuncher, and that will be tough to change.
He also has the tendency to play the short ball so he can make the pass and this is too dangerous against people with strong grounstrokes on a good day - it also relies on incredibly small margins and assumes people are gonna fail to win at the net.
I think he will be okay, and these are very small ciritcisms of his game, but if we are talking grand slam success he really need to address the second serve and his offensive tactics when his opponents are dictating the points.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2009, 11:10 AM »
Agree with a lot of the points that have been brought up.....Roddick played brilliantly but blew it in the 2nd tie break.....Federer humble? To wear the jacket with 15 on it, right after the match finished was a slap in the face to his opponent and to say to Roddick, he knew how he felt because he lost to Nadal the year before was terrible as Roddick said himself said to Federer, but you,ve won it 4 times...Cant imagine Sampras and Co doing THIS.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2009, 11:29 AM »
Quote from: robbie on July 06, 2009, 11:10 AM
Agree with a lot of the points that have been brought up.....Roddick played brilliantly but blew it in the 2nd tie break.....Federer humble? To wear the jacket with 15 on it, right after the match finished was a slap in the face to his opponent and to say to Roddick, he knew how he felt because he lost to Nadal the year before was terrible as Roddick said himself said to Federer, but you,ve won it 4 times...Cant imagine Sampras and Co doing THIS.
Federer seems to have become consumed by his own personality cult - the totally unnecessary clothes, the personal logo - it's all too much. Whatever happened to getting on with playing the game?
He does seem to be liked by his fellow players - after all he's been voted sportsman of the year by them a number of times (wonder if Murray voted for him though, given the amount of crap that comes his way from Federer whenever he beats him?) - but he is increasingly coming across very badly and seems a long way up his own arse. I can't stand the way that crowds such as those at Wimbledon and RG fawn over him constantly and his army of internet followers are quite freakish.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2009, 11:55 AM »
Quote from: Joe on July 06, 2009, 11:29 AM
his army of internet followers are quite freakish.
Unlike us, you mean?
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2009, 11:59 AM »
Quote from: Bevc on July 06, 2009, 11:55 AM
Unlike us, you mean?
No, I genuinely think that we're pretty normal and down to Earth in our support for Andy. A lot of Federer's internet fans seem almost in love with the guy - they seem suicidal when he loses and claim to be the happiest they've ever been when he wins. To be fair, a lot of them don't seem to have English as their first language so perhaps a lot of it is lost in translation, but there's no excuse for being totally irrational. I loved the way they defended his refusal to shake the umpire's hand after losing to Andy in Doha.
I'm sure that sort of adulation hasn't helped Federer and has brought on this God complex that he seems to have developed.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2009, 12:06 PM »
I am oblivious to all of that as I only stick to MW and the beeb for my tennis news - what's not known on here isn't worth knowing! Just seeing a photo of Fedex can usually give me an opinion of him that I probably shouldn't have, given that he is such a brilliant player. Somebody out there loves him, but it sure as hell ain't me!
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2009, 04:45 PM »
Guys, this is just my take on Stefanki, I know what he means but I can't help but feel he comes across as patronising. How many times have his players stumbled along the way, and he has been allowed to analyse and make changes and suggestions with his player in private? We all remember his time with Henman when his masterful efforts clearly did not cut the mustard. OK so Andy R got the better of our Andy last Friday, and there will be other occasions when the result will go the other way. I cannot imagine Team Murray giving a post-match analysis with a view to his player needing to radically change his mindset and tactics for his future career. It seems to me that our Andy and his young, brilliant team have ruffled a few feathers in the sport with their fun approach and excellent results. Stefanki's comments are not helpful, they are designed to be provocative and insulting. So I suppose if and when our Andy wins a GS, hopefully the US Open, old smug features will sit back and take the credit? Andy is doing great and his time will come, in the meantime the others should just mind their own business and dream of getting their players to No 3 in the world.
By the way, I fear that the envy that surrounds our Andy knows no bounds, even his own brother felt the need to jump on the Stefanki bandwagon and add his pennyworth of criticism. In the Daily Star yesterday they reported:
' Meanwhile Murray has been accused of being too negative during his shock four-set loss to No 6 seed Roddick - by his older brother Jamie. "The guy who's going to come out on top, more often than not, is the guy who's being more aggressive." he said. "And it was certainly Roddick, not Andy."'
Like Andy and the team couldn't work this out for themselves! I look forward to the team offering their solutions to our Andy's future beaten opponents, but I just can't see it happening.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2009, 04:52 PM »
Quote from: clementine on July 06, 2009, 04:45 PM
Guys, this is just my take on Stefanki, I know what he means but I can't help but feel he comes across as patronising. How many times have his players stumbled along the way, and he has been allowed to analyse and make changes and suggestions with his player in private? We all remember his time with Henman when his masterful efforts clearly did not cut the mustard. OK so Andy R got the better of our Andy last Friday, and there will be other occasions when the result will go the other way. I cannot imagine Team Murray giving a post-match analysis with a view to his player needing to radically change his mindset and tactics for his future career. It seems to me that our Andy and his young, brilliant team have ruffled a few feathers in the sport with their fun approach and excellent results. Stefanki's comments are not helpful, they are designed to be provocative and insulting. So I suppose if and when our Andy wins a GS, hopefully the US Open, old smug features will sit back and take the credit? Andy is doing great and his time will come, in the meantime the others should just mind their own business and dream of getting their players to No 3 in the world.
By the way, I fear that the envy that surrounds our Andy knows no bounds, even his own brother felt the need to jump on the Stefanki bandwagon and add his pennyworth of criticism. In the Daily Star yesterday they reported:
' Meanwhile Murray has been accused of being too negative during his shock four-set loss to No 6 seed Roddick - by his older brother Jamie. "The guy who's going to come out on top, more often than not, is the guy who's being more aggressive." he said. "And it was certainly Roddick, not Andy."'
Like Andy and the team couldn't work this out for themselves! I look forward to the team offering their solutions to our Andy's future beaten opponents, but I just can't see it happening.
To be fair, plenty of other people within the game have said the same things that Stefanki has said - even us fans have said he needs to be more attacking at times.
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Re: Murray must change his game to win a Slam
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2009, 05:13 PM »
Precisely. Us fans can say what we like. Stefanki is another kettle of fish entirely. Has the guy no manners or ethics? How do you think Andy and his team feel hearing another coach telling him where he's going wrong? Of course others have said the same things, have said it myself, even screamed at the telly when our Andy is playing tentatively. But, I repeat, Stefanki is a different ball game. Silence is golden.
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