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Posted on: October 17, 2011, 07:42 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Just heard on Radio 4 that Andy says, Novak's rise and rise and rise has been "inspirational." Hooray  clap
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 12:10 PM
Posted by: deb
 well done Andy fantastic match number 3 now, ( and no plane crash needed Behweet!! )  trophy
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 09:17 AM
Posted by: Patsy
Me neither Caz!
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 08:59 AM
Posted by: Caz
Good report Nigel......I enjoyed it almost as much as the match! Didn't feel a bit sorry for the man from Japan! w00t
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 07:59 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
'Sublime efficiency' - love it Nigel.
As for feeling sorry for his opponent - well surely that doesn't detract from joy that Andy won?  I like Nishikori and he looked like little boy lost out there yesterday.  Doesn't mean I wanted Andy to go easy on him.  He said Andy played 'like a genius' - see piece in Independent on Sunday
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/majestic-murray-on-course-for-top-three-2371342.html
And now just one to go Andy. Certainly won't feel sorry for Ferrer if Andy crushes him but I guess that's not likely as the terrior isn't easily crushed.  Could go to 3 but unless some big problem, Andy should win ok.
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 07:56 AM
Posted by: Bailey
Go Andy!
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 07:04 AM
Posted by: Suzi
 hug yay  yay great play Andy  clap onwards and upwards !
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 02:33 AM
Posted by: adb..OH
BTW  ...  Well Done Andy!!!     cmonandy
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 02:31 AM
Posted by: adb..OH
Thanks Nigel, good report, though I don't like to see someone (Kia) being written off either, I know that is what sports writers do!

However, for crying out loud, (one or two MW members, the names Ruthie & Aileen come to mind) give over on this feeling sorry for the opponent stuff.   Andy is out there to win & going for every point is what it takes.  You’d be the first one, Aileen, especially, to start yelling at him and carrying on if he fell behind.  What does it take to please you!  He’s now being aggressive and we are not seeing the Mr Nice Guy, who lets the other guy back in the game (ok for a Sunday afternoon amongst friends but not for professionals).  Be Happy!  You can’t have it both ways.
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 12:44 AM
Posted by: Grabcopy
OK Nigel - you've convinced me.  I bow to your greater knowledge and experience of the sport. Smile

Incidentally, David Ferrer is a mere 5'9" but that didn't stop him from reaching a ranking high of No.4.  

Yeah, I pointed out that there were three players inside the top 30 under six foot. He's an exception and succeeds because of his incredible workrate.

Don't get me wrong, I watched the final of the men's singles at my club last week and thought it was a hell of a good standard. But, obviously, people like Nishikori are operating on a level that amounts to a different planet to that. It's just that Murray and co are that much higher. There are a lot of levels in this game.
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 12:42 AM
Posted by: Aileen
OK Nigel - you've convinced me.  Your knowledge and experience of the sport is greater than mine, and I accept that.

Posted on: October 16, 2011, 12:32 AM
Posted by: Grabcopy
Kohlschreiber is five foot ten, too. And he's 28 today. His time has come and gone. It's a game for big lads under 25.
Posted on: October 16, 2011, 12:16 AM
Posted by: Grabcopy
[quote author=Aileen link=topic=19418.msg673693#msg673693 date=

I've watched him play a couple of times and think he has the potential to achieve his goal of eventually getting into at least the top 20.  [/quote]

If we're honest, there are a lot of players who fit this description. I've watched a certain Philipp Kohlschreiber for years and kept thinking 'If only he could put it together for more than two weeks at any one time, he'd be top ten'.

Truth is, there are always going to be good reasons why a player isn't top ten or top 20. Kohlschreiber has a strong backhand, which is always going to be inferior to a good forehand. Nishikori has no big shots and no real power, despite doing everything reasonably well.

You watch these players a couple of times in a 250 tournament and they look fantastic, but they're light years behind the top four. Yes, he could make the top 30, but that's not a reflection of how strong a player he is, just an indication of the lack of quality outside the top echelons.
Posted on: October 15, 2011, 11:54 PM
Posted by: Grabcopy
Murray missed about 4 months, Nishikori missed 9.  Also I wasn't suggesting that Nishikori is likely to emulate Murray, simply that I thought he might make the top 20, maybe even the top 10, depending on the depth of the men's game over the next few years and how far he progresses under BG's guidance.  However, you have your opinion and I have mine. Smile

Nishikori isn't cut out for today's game. He hasn't got the power, nor does he have a killer shot. If you're not Andy Murray - an outstanding athlete and naturally gifted - you have to be 6 foot 3 with pounding groundstrokes. And Murray just happens to be 6 foot 3, which helps.

The modern game is all about bookends - trying to push each other off the end of the shelf with raw power. Nishikori is five foot ten and has a cute game but it's never going to be enough to crack the top 30.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there are about three players inside the top 30 under 6 foot. The Asian physique isn't suited to pro tennis, hence 'Project 45'.
Posted on: October 15, 2011, 11:01 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Yes, he's good, but he's top 30 at best. Lest we forget, Murray missed large portions of 2007 with a wrist injury. It's what happens in professional sport. Andy is in a different league.
Murray missed about 4 months, Nishikori missed 9.  Also I wasn't suggesting that Nishikori is likely to emulate Murray, simply that I thought he might make the top 20, maybe even the top 10, depending on the depth of the men's game over the next few years and how far he progresses under BG's guidance.  However, you have your opinion and I have mine. Smile
Posted on: October 15, 2011, 10:49 PM
Posted by: Grabcopy
Err - was this another match you didn't watch Nigel? Very Happy

Murray was at his ruthless best, and his serving was about as good as it gets, but I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for Nishikori.  By the second set he was clearly struggling with the effects of his earlier exertions this week as well as what seemed to be a problem with his left ankle.  I've watched him play a couple of times and think he has the potential to achieve his goal of eventually getting into at least the top 20.  He is, after all, only 21 and missed nearly all of 2009 due to injury, which was a huge setback to his career.


Yes, he's good, but he's top 30 at best. Lest we forget, Murray missed large portions of 2007 with a wrist injury. It's what happens in professional sport. Andy is in a different league.
Posted on: October 15, 2011, 09:08 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Err - was this another match you didn't watch Nigel? Very Happy

Murray was at his ruthless best, and his serving was about as good as it gets, but I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for Nishikori.  By the second set he was clearly struggling with the effects of his earlier exertions this week as well as what seemed to be a problem with his left ankle.  I've watched him play a couple of times and think he has the potential to achieve his goal of eventually getting into at least the top 20.  He is, after all, only 21 and missed nearly all of 2009 due to injury, which was a huge setback to his career.




Posted on: October 15, 2011, 08:36 PM
Posted by: Tessie
Watched a recording (at work today) some fantastic tennis from Andy although I dont think he was really pushed especially in the 2nd set.  Think Ferrer is playing better than when Andy beat him last week so it may be a tougher match. But go Andy!! No 3 here we come!!
Posted on: October 15, 2011, 07:18 PM
Posted by: jdonald
I saw the match it was like a walk in the park. Great.

He is on a roll with a purpose such a change from a few months ago.

Just hope it continues well into the Australian open.

Wonderful  Andy you are playing great.
Posted on: October 15, 2011, 06:08 PM
Posted by: iamabritt
When he is playing well it is sublime. Well done Andy.