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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #15 on: May 11, 2013, 01:26 PM »
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Great match report !

Ironically, I think some of Andy's best play came in the serve game he lost in set 1. My crap broadband packed in after that so I missed most of the rest. I'm left thinking that Andy is still short of being able to win a big clay event but not by much. I certainly don't feel too disappointed by this defeat - he lost to a top player. I'm keeping the faith !
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #16 on: May 11, 2013, 01:27 PM »
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so delpo h
It was a bit difficult to see what exactly was going on Youtube but I think Djokovic, Nadal, Ferrer and Berdych are on the opposite side of the draw to Andy and Del Potro is in Andy's quarter.  I wouldn't swear to it though!
sounds good to me and delpo will be coming back from time off with a virus
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #17 on: May 11, 2013, 01:38 PM »
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Andy in Del Potro's section... hmmm
The alternatives are Nadal, Berdych or Tsonga. So on this surface, his QF opponent doesn't really matter. His R3 opponent is far more important. The likes of Simon, Monaco or Tipsarevic are much more winnable ties than Raonic, Gasquet or Wawrinka.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #18 on: May 11, 2013, 02:24 PM »
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I thought Andy looked tired last night but saying that he played better than the match with Simon. Have just caught up with watching the matches he played very well in the first set. Then lost form in the second he is playing better on the clay. Hope he has better luck in Rome.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #19 on: May 11, 2013, 03:12 PM »
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I have looked at it. I don't think we can complain about it. Fred's got to get through Tsonga, Gasguet, Haas, Janowicz, Dimitrov.

Murray's got Del Pot, Nishikori and Almagro. It could be a lot worse. Berdych, Raonic, Warwrinka, Nadal and Djokovic are over the other side.

Only problem I can see is it doesn't bode well for the French open. He will probably cop the lot then.

Bearing in mind I know nothing about the subtleties of it all, I would say he has got a very kind draw.

What do others think?
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #20 on: May 11, 2013, 03:19 PM »
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Thanks for the report MH. A close match - pity about the Tie Break, and that dodgy service game in the 2nd set, but lots of exciting stuff as well. Lots of break points gcame and went, but at least he had them in the first place.

What Andy says:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/Uploaded/2013/5/10/Madrid-2013-Friday-Press-Conference-Murray.aspx
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #21 on: May 11, 2013, 04:16 PM »
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thanks for posting the interview Elena.  As I thought it was the back, which is causing problems again on the clay though he says it's ok once he has warmed up.

lb: not surprising he looked tired given he'd not got to bed probably till about 4am!
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #22 on: May 11, 2013, 04:34 PM »
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Andy was very close.  2/9 break points to Bersh*ts 3/7 tells the story well enough.
After 3/18 against Simon he needs to improve.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #23 on: May 11, 2013, 04:47 PM »
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Andy did win the first set against Berdych on clay on both occasions in the past, so the 1st set of their 3rd encounter last night going into the TB is not at all a surprise. In fact, I believe had Andy had a decent time in between, he could have taken this match from Berdych this time around. He came into play but after losing the 1st set TB, he sort of lacked the will to fight all the way. I did not want to blame him too much for that; however, he had plenty opportunities in the 1st set before the TB to turn back things in his favour but he couldn't and that's where the real problem was. I suppose he knew as well.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #24 on: May 11, 2013, 04:50 PM »
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Didn't see the match and thought your report of it was excellent ta. clap
Didn't expect Andy to win, so was pleasantly surprised  Rolling Eyes that this wasn't a beat down.
Oh the crumbs us fans snatch during the boring old clay season.... Whistle
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #25 on: May 11, 2013, 04:57 PM »
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Thanks Luke for that report I only had live scores last night and was somewhat mystified by Andy's apparent collapse in the second set. After reading your report it does'nt sound so bad as I feared
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #26 on: May 11, 2013, 06:26 PM »
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I'd forgotten all about the draw for Rome. Honestly, my poor brain gets confused when so many tournaments are so close together at this time of the year.

Andy's draw doesn't look too bad. It could be worse. I'm not going to worry about any of it. I just want Andy to do as well as he can before RG, to give him some more match time and build his confidence, and then a good performance at RG would be great before we go back to a proper surface.

Oh, I forgot, good match report Luke, fair and balanced. I don't mind the word 'ousted' it's much better than certain media outlets who persist in the assumption that every time Andy loses he 'crashes out', whilst others merely lose. I feel inclined to remind some of them that Andy was around for longer than Djokovic or Federer.

Thinking back over last night, the thing that strikes me is that Andy doesn't seem too downbeat. I think that's good. He knows, I think, that he did create chances for himself and that he did play well for most of the match. I get the feeling that he was pleased that he put himself in a position to come through. It's a good start, something he can build on.

I still think it was interesting to see Petch's analysis after the match last night. He was able to show what Andy did well and provide some insight. Petch might be an Andy fan (although sometimes...... Whistle) but he isn't afraid to be critical when he needs to be. The fact that he thought it was one of Andy's better performances on the clay gives me reason to be positive.

I wondered whether the lateness of the hour when he would have got to bed the night before had a bearing on Andy last night. It couldn't have helped. I know some will say that it is Andy's fault for getting out of the blocks so slowly against Simon, and it is a point, but I think it is sort of understandable. He came out against Simon to a stadium that was almost empty and was playing someone over whom he has a big winning record. I think that is what made him seem so flat at the start. There was no atmosphere at all and he might not have felt as threatened as he would by playing someone where the h2h is close. In a way I'd like to see Andy adopt an approach of 'right, how badly can I beat you this time', against people like Simon, but obviously I wouldn't want that to make him reckless.

Against Simon Andy needed to get himself going and it took him a while. I only say that because the difference in him last night was striking. From the start last night Andy looked ready to go. I was actually quite pleased to see him muttering to himself a number of times, because to my mind it is a sign that he is up for it, as long as he doesn't get carried away, of course. I had to smile when Leif Shiras said that Andy plays better when he is angry. McEnroe has always said directly the opposite lol. Ahh, the fickleness of commentators lol.

Fingers crossed for a good Rome and a good few days of watching Andy in his sexy blue outfit.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #27 on: May 11, 2013, 07:09 PM »
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Good point about the lack of atmosphere in the stadium tj.  You could say a top player should be able to give his best regardless of atmosphere but Andy does respond to the crowd, even if against him, and if he was already feeling a bit flat having waited so long to play I agree the lack of atmosphere could have contributed.  It's been pretty shocking how empty the place has been most of the week.  I think they should withdraw this tournament from Madrid (with its high altitude peculiarities) and give it to a city that would appreciate the opportunity more.  Or make Barcelona the 1000 and turn Madrid into a 500 - that would certainly set the Spanish cats among the pigeons.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #28 on: May 11, 2013, 08:34 PM »
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Madrid has a history for being a weird tournament as a whole. They should dump it. It's not worth it.
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Re: Murray ousted by Berdych « Reply #29 on: May 11, 2013, 08:44 PM »
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Finally, I have viewed the whole match.

I don't believe that Andy did that badly. I think he suffers more from confidence lacking, not lack of ability, when it comes to playing on the "red dirt".

I noted also that Andy did a bit of the "drama queen" particlularly when he lost a point he should have won. I feel that Andy's clay performance is improving little by little. Let's hope it continues in Roma.

Incidentally, once I saw that the intellectually-gifted Barry Cowan was commentating, I feared the worst. Andy does not often fair well when BC spouts his knowledge.

Luke. once again good report and many thanks.
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