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Posted on: May 14, 2013, 08:53 AM
Posted by: matchpoint
I think his back plays a large part in this.
Playing on the clay brings "the niggle" (about which we don't really know any details) to the fore; and consciously or subconsciously he does not play all out, in order to protect it - especially with the really important home tournies at Queens, Wimbledon so close on the horizon.

Not an excuse - just part of the reason for how he plays on clay. Just my view.
Posted on: May 14, 2013, 12:19 AM
Posted by: Emma Jean
Andy did play a very flat TB. The way they were both serving you could tell it was heading for a TB, so Andy should have been prepared for it. He did try his best to break him again but at 5-6, you should really get ready for the TB. It just seemed to me he wasn't mentally ready for it and was a bit disheartened maybe that he couldn't break Berdcyh again to take the 1st set. Oh well...
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 08:59 PM
Posted by: robbie
Nothing is wasted on any surface. I don't even understand the statement.
You must do, you've just replied to it.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 08:56 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
Nothing is wasted on any surface. I don't even understand the statement.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 06:58 PM
Posted by: teejay1
Anyone who thinks Andy's artistry is wasted on clay needs to rewatch his match against Gasquet at RG again.

He just seems to lack the confidence on this surface to ever really play his best stuff. Probably down to the movement, as his confidence stems heavily from how well he's moving.

To be fair I stand corrected. That was a great match to watch. I thoroughly enjoyed it, which is not unheard of for me for a match on clay, but fairly unusual. I just don't like the clay as a surface really.

I'm convinced that for Andy it is a confidence issue more than anything. I think you're spot on about the movement. I also sometimes think that Andy needs just one big win on the clay, a win over someone people might think he'd lose to, to make him realise that he can play on it. I mean, I know I say often that I think 2011 might be a red herring, but that year Andy did take matches very close against Djokovic and Nadal. In my book that means that he can play on it at the top level, he just needs to consistently believe he can.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 06:53 PM
Posted by: scotnadian
Anyone who thinks Andy's artistry is wasted on clay needs to rewatch his match against Gasquet at RG again.
But then, Gasquet has artistry too.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 06:30 PM
Posted by: TheMadHatter
Anyone who thinks Andy's artistry is wasted on clay needs to rewatch his match against Gasquet at RG again.

He just seems to lack the confidence on this surface to ever really play his best stuff. Probably down to the movement, as his confidence stems heavily from how well he's moving.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 05:02 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
I wouldn't say Andy's artistry is wasted on the dirt at all. Andy played a very good match against Berdych and he looked smashing. Berdych just played slightly better than Andy on big points and his serve, at the end of the day, saved him the match. I am sure Andy feels he's making progress. A player knows. Also, this surface is a bit challenging for Andy but that doesn't mean he should step aside. Not a top priority but he can definitely take the challenge in his stride and make improvement. Things change in tennis fairly quickly so who's to say what lies ahead in future. One great show and people will be forced to change their opinion about him on clay. Nothing is written in stone.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 03:26 PM
Posted by: Mackem
Clay is indeed a crap surface.  I remember all those years finishing matches covered in red sh*t - the ball bounces all over the place in random directions when it hits the tape - and bounces so high it's ridiculous.

Growing up through my teens and early 20's (when I was a good player) my Tennis Club had 4 Clay courts and 4 Grass (no Hard??) but we were hardly ever allowed to play on the grass because the courts wore out so quickly. So clay it was, and it was awful.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 08:44 AM
Posted by: teejay1
Andy's artistry is wasted on the dirt.

Very, very true. That's why I don't like the clay. I can understand that there is skill involved in playing on clay, as on the other surfaces, but to me clay court tennis is ugly and brutal. I love the grass, it's far more attractive to watch and therefore more entertaining. I think Andy, at his best, is stunning on the grass now,
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 08:32 AM
Posted by: OldScotSupport
Andy's artistry is wasted on the dirt.

Agreed. Far too much of the dirt.

EJ. watch your double negatives
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 08:22 AM
Posted by: ProdigyEng
There's an assumption that Andy had wasted a lot of break point opportunities in this match and I need to show that it was so much that he had wasted those opportunities but rather it was an impossible scenario to convert most of those. I don't like blind assessment. That wasn't the case so far.

True. Berdych must be credited for his clutch play.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 07:09 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
^ Too true.
Posted on: May 13, 2013, 12:43 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
Andy's artistry is wasted on the dirt.
Posted on: May 12, 2013, 09:46 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
There's an assumption that Andy had wasted a lot of break point opportunities in this match and I need to show that it was so much that he had wasted those opportunities but rather it was an impossible scenario to convert most of those. I don't like blind assessment. That wasn't the case so far.
Posted on: May 12, 2013, 09:43 PM
Posted by: robbie
 zz...nite Emma.
Posted on: May 12, 2013, 09:41 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
So Andy hits the 2nd serve slightly long after creating ad opportunity for himself. Now here you can say he wasted an opportunity and perhaps he could have been slightly careful with that return and let Berdy make the mistake since he was desperate to hold his serve.
Posted on: May 12, 2013, 09:36 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
And just so you know and since I am at it anyway, he couldn't have possibly converted that 2nd serve at 30-40 either. It was a huge serve from Berdych again. Not at all Andy's fault for not converting it.
Posted on: May 12, 2013, 09:31 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
Andy couldn't have not converted the break point at 15-30 as it was a big serve from Berdych yet again; however, Andy missed a down the line backhand which would have given Andy 3 breakpoints in a row and a 0-40 lead. His chances to break Berdych would have been then much greater. Alas.
Posted on: May 12, 2013, 09:22 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
Am watching the 1st set and I am at 4 all right now. Let me say that Andy was in no position to win that break point  he had in the first game, as Berdych served out wide and Andy barely returned the ball. It was a great serve from Berdy.

2nd, he played remarkably well to convert the only break-point he had at 3 all and to go up 4-3 so kudos to Andy.

However, while Andy played really well to try and save the game and to go up 5-3, he played 2 very bad points in succession to give away the game to Berdy. Judging by his reaction, he knew it too. But of course.

Also, every time he let Berdych dictate the point, Berdy went away with it. Something I had talked about before the match already. Against a very aggressive player like him, it's a giant mistake; however, Andy couldn't possibly dictate all the points.

Last thing, Andy doesn't like to slide and that compromises his movement as it doesn't allow him to retrieve all the balls that are somewhat out of his reach. And with that holding him slightly back, he doesn't feel neither as confident or comfortable on this surface. I do believe if he plays more and more, he'll get eventually get there. He basically needs to play a lot.

Anyway, great match so far though it hurts to know that Andy had already lost this match.