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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #30 on: September 11, 2011, 11:41 AM »
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Went to bed half way into the second set because I couldn't stand to see Andy being beaten again - not only by Nadal but by himself. I really do believe his time will come - he is just too good not to win a Major but he has to get his head sorted out - perhaps a permanent coach would help him to do that or maybe he does need a sports physchologist.  I just hope this loss doesn't have the same effect as the loss at the AO - that he can put it behind him and move on quickly.  Perhaps the Davis Cup will help him to do that.  I really hope that Nadal wins the final - if Djokovic wins he will be unbearable!
Alis, you and Ruthie reflect my sentiments exactly. I was getting ready to go to bed at the end of the second set but stayed to watch the third and then of course the fourth. Mindset is probably the problem and PT talks so much sense in her posts. The more I get to know about Andy as a person, through his book firstly, then his interviews and articles written - the more I like him. He doesn't have Nadal's absolutely engaging smile - but he has his genuine and decent viewpoint on life- that is why they are friends.  Andy has matured so much these last three years - he doesn't have Novak's flair or his showmanship - Andy is a much less 'showy' individual but he needs not to show his feelings so blatently on court. I do wish he had experimented a little bit more with serve and volley last night but that has its dangers. I'll always follow him too, for his superb tennis, for himself - 'cos he's a thoroughly likeable, utterly human, down to earth Scot.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #31 on: September 11, 2011, 11:45 AM »
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Well said C.M. me too, think i might just drink the champagne anyway.!!

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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #32 on: September 11, 2011, 11:47 AM »
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Well thats rather a subjective view  one you are entitled to as they are your personal inferrences - if we were perhaps all crystal ball mystics then we could make these statements with some degree of certainty, as we are not, who knows how it will all play out For Andy. All we can do is hope that he realises that something other than his phyisical capacity needs now to be improved in order he make that final step.

Look, I badly want him to win. But this is an incredible era. Three of the top players of all time are ahead of him. We can all get our hopes up, but reality sinks in when he makes the semis and he has to beat two all-time greats to win a major. Coupled with that, he MUST improve his attitude and body language.

What's sad is that the next generation of slam winners might just have it oh-so-easy. These four have dominated for the last few years now and there's no youngsters coming through. If a Bernard Tomic ends up with four slams and Murray has none, that'll be a crying shame.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #33 on: September 11, 2011, 11:51 AM »
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Well thats rather a subjective view  one you are entitled to as they are your personal inferrences - if we were perhaps all crystal ball mystics then we could make these statements with some degree of certainty, as we are not, who knows how it will all play out For Andy. All we can do is hope that he realises that something other than his phyisical capacity needs now to be improved in order he make that final step.
Oh yes!! Common sense - as always PT!
Look, I badly want him to win. But this is an incredible era. Three of the top players of all time are ahead of him. We can all get our hopes up, but reality sinks in when he makes the semis and he has to beat two all-time greats to win a major. Coupled with that, he MUST improve his attitude and body language.

What's sad is that the next generation of slam winners might just have it oh-so-easy. These four have dominated for the last few years now and there's no youngsters coming through. If a Bernard Tomic ends up with four slams and Murray has none, that'll be a crying shame.
You too are so right! What a shame that would be! Perhaps he hasn't reached the stage in maturity when he finds it easy to improve that part of his character. Very good report by the way Nigel.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #34 on: September 11, 2011, 11:54 AM »
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Look, I badly want him to win. But this is an incredible era. Three of the top players of all time are ahead of him. We can all get our hopes up, but reality sinks in when he makes the semis and he has to beat two all-time greats to win a major. Coupled with that, he MUST improve his attitude and body language.

What's sad is that the next generation of slam winners might just have it oh-so-easy. These four have dominated for the last few years now and there's no youngsters coming through. If a Bernard Tomic ends up with four slams and Murray has none, that'll be a crying shame.

Totally get what you say and the passion for Andy that comes across in what you write, but as you post in your second paragraph, if things go the way you suggest then its just Andys misfortune to have been born in this era, nothing you or i can do to change that. Its something we will learn to live with when the history books write up about this purple patch in mens tennis. No good in all of us beating ourselves up, Andy does that enough for everybody to get a smack occassionally. hug
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #35 on: September 11, 2011, 11:57 AM »
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #36 on: September 11, 2011, 11:59 AM »
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and PT talks so much sense in her posts.

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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #37 on: September 11, 2011, 12:01 PM »
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confused Hi Chris , not sure if you are ChrisMac from the old forum - I am Suzi from the old forum.  Think you sent an email to Andy for me when I was cheering on at Queens 2009 - not many Andy fans there that day and I was heard shouting "kit kat" by everyone  LOL!!

Anyway, fast forward to the present......  I am so gutted for Andy - yet again he has just not made it!!  We will have the usual Andy bashing and analysis of everything about his tennis and team, his self expression on court, and so on and so forth, probably  even down to the colour of his underpants blahn blah blah  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

What I feel is that the old Andy, who I first started to follow was more confident, a bit of a Bravheart really and not so worried about what everyone else thought and most important, he was not under the pressure he is today.  Sometimes when you try too hard at something, it just does not work, gluten free diet and all w00t Maybe Andy needs to get a good sport mentor and just relax a bit about the whole thing. 

He often gets this "rabbit in the headlights" look and you can see his whole body tensing up.  Having said that, Andy is one of the few players that makes tennis exciting to watch.  The guy has charisma and love him or hate him, you can't dispute that!!  He has a personality and is not afraid of showing it on court.  It was through Andy that I got interested in tennis and I have seen him play live many times now.  You can feel the guys's passion for the sport,  it is palpable and real.   I will always suppport Andy and I hope he does dip into this forum and read the positives written about him.

It must be so difficult to lose a match like last night and then have to read a load of pseudo psycho analytical rubbish about yourself.

Ignore ALL THAT ANDY AND CARRY ON BEING THE BRAVEHEART you really are.  Always rooting for you!! hug



Yes, it's me Suzi, Hope all is well.  Good posting! by the way agree totally in what you say.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #38 on: September 11, 2011, 12:25 PM »
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Jan!! I am a HE!!  shocking hug
Take it as a compliment PT!  Whistle
Thanks to matchpoint for the link.  I don't agree with Andy that if he doesn't win a slam it will mean his record is dreadful in GSs - after all he's just become the 7th guy to reach all SFs in one year, which is an achievement in itself even if not THE achievement we're all wanting.  Even if he does go down as the greatest player not to win a GS (and I do believe he can still do it) I will still think he is a fantastic player and person.  But as so many have said he's his own worst enemy on court.
What do people think of tomthom's idea of a petition to get a proper coach?  I'm not sure myself.  It would have to be carefully worded so as not to reflect the kind of negativity that tends to be rampant on MW after a defeat.  Or is it just an attempt to combat our own feelings of powerlessness ie if we just DO something we might feel a bit better  Whatever I think tomthom's idea merits some discussion -indeed perhaps you should start a thread???
Oh and PT and I think Iris (or was it Jan?) re Andy's interview with Petch when he said he's not as good as the others who achieved all GSs in a year (or words to that effect) I didn't think it odd - I just read it as his natural modesty ie he didn't want to seem to be saying he was up there with all time greats at present.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #39 on: September 11, 2011, 12:39 PM »
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but again I repeat the well-worn mantra that he badly needs to consult a sports psychologist in order to get the mental side of his game sorted out.
Why Andy hasn't given this a shot yet I don't know. He may not respect the field but look at how it has transformed players in the past.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #40 on: September 11, 2011, 12:40 PM »
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Oh and PT and I think Iris (or was it Jan?) re Andy's interview with Petch when he said he's not as good as the others who achieved all GSs in a year (or words to that effect) I didn't think it odd - I just read it as his natural modesty ie he didn't want to seem to be saying he was up there with all time greats at present.

Hey Ruthie, i'll take it as such. I think you've got a valid point re: Andy's natural modesty, i didn't look at it the way you suggested, on balance you may be right. hug
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #41 on: September 11, 2011, 12:45 PM »
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Just read the report, brilliant. Smile
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #42 on: September 11, 2011, 12:52 PM »
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Why Andy hasn't given this a shot yet I don't know. He may not respect the field but look at how it has transformed players in the past.
Perhaps he will now finally.  After all if he'll follow Nole down the diet road why not the sports psychologist?  Surely he can see that this is letting him down in the big matches?  Can't the Adidas coaches give him some gentle or not so gentle advice on this front?
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #43 on: September 11, 2011, 12:53 PM »
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Hopefully Andy can regroup and focus on the rest of the year to accrue as many points as possible. End the year high and give your absolute best at WTF - more of the same attacking tennis displayed in the 3rd set with a mix of S/V which brought some success against Rafa.

Guys, Andy is having a career best year so far with a F and 3 SF in all slams. Sure it didn't end with a slam victory but hopefully he can build on that next year starting at AO, where he will benefit from a fairer scheduling. Although he has said that USO is his favourite tournament but I think he feels more at home at Australian Open - it's by no coincidence he has reached the last 2 finals.

Andy gives himself the opportunity to get to SF/F of slams and one day he will lift one of the major trophy. Yes an attitude adjustment is required to try and remain focus and calm, I'm sure Andy knows this. Hopefully a new coach could help in that regard. He only needs to look at Djokovic to see that a turnaround is possible.

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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #44 on: September 11, 2011, 01:01 PM »
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Hopefully Andy can regroup and focus on the rest of the year to accrue as many points as possible. End the year high and give your absolute best at WTF - more of the same attacking tennis displayed in the 3rd set with a mix of S/V which brought some success against Rafa.

Guys, Andy is having a career best year so far with a F and 3 SF in all slams. Sure it didn't end with a slam victory but hopefully he can build on that next year starting at AO, where he will benefit from a fairer scheduling. Although he has said that USO is his favourite tournament but I think he feels more at home at Australian Open - it's by no coincidence he has reached the last 2 finals.

Andy gives himself the opportunity to get to SF/F of slams and one day he will lift one of the major trophy. Yes an attitude adjustment is required to try and remain focus and calm, I'm sure Andy knows this. Hopefully a new coach could help in that regard. He only needs to look at Djokovic to see that a turnaround is possible.

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Good posting!
Yes thanks for reminding us to keep things in perspective.  There would be some players who would give their eye teeth to be where Andy is and we should applaud his achievement while being constructively critical of where he fell short yesterday.  And he will have reduced the gap between him and smugfed -am hoping LL will tell us by just how much.
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