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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #45 on: September 11, 2011, 01:46 PM »
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 I cannot imagine what Andy feels this morning knowing that he alone blew his chances, I believe he can and will do it.
All i hope for now is that Rafa holds that cup up ,not Novak.He (andy)also played far more hours of tennis than Rafa .I am not sure what could be worse to have it all snatched away in a blink of and eye like Roger or losing the way Andy did.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #46 on: September 11, 2011, 01:58 PM »
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I cannot imagine what Andy feels this morning knowing that he alone blew his chances, I believe he can and will do it.
All i hope for now is that Rafa holds that cup up ,not Novak.He (andy)also played far more hours of tennis than Rafa .I am not sure what could be worse to have it all snatched away in a blink of and eye like Roger or losing the way Andy did.

I definitely think it would have been worse to have lost the way Roger did. He had that match well under control but just let it slip away. I think if that had been Andy, he'd have been hammered in the press for that.

Just hope Andy doesn't have a slump now and tries his hardest in the remaining tournaments this year. He's said his goal is to end the year number 3 and he's got a real shot of doing that if he plays well.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #47 on: September 11, 2011, 02:12 PM »
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Alis, you and Ruthie reflect my sentiments exactly. I was getting ready to go to bed at the end of the second set but stayed to watch the third and then of course the fourth. Mindset is probably the problem and PT talks so much sense in her posts. The more I get to know about Andy as a person, through his book firstly, then his interviews and articles written - the more I like him. He doesn't have Nadal's absolutely engaging smile - but he has his genuine and decent viewpoint on life- that is why they are friends.  Andy has matured so much these last three years - he doesn't have Novak's flair or his showmanship - Andy is a much less 'showy' individual but he needs not to show his feelings so blatently on court. I do wish he had experimented a little bit more with serve and volley last night but that has its dangers. I'll always follow him too, for his superb tennis, for himself - 'cos he's a thoroughly likeable, utterly human, down to earth Scot.
Good for you seeing it through to the end Jan.  I'm glad I didn't stay up for the 3rd as then would have had to watch 4th as well of course and hope would have risen and hope dashed is worse than no hope at all! Just cross with myself for not recording the rest as just caught the highlights midway through (while recording them) and they don't seem to have shown the whole of the 3rd set.  Interesting that Rafa said in his post-match interview he thought it was the best match he played in the whole year.  Again, that perhaps helps puts Andy's loss in perspective ie yes Andy contributed to the loss but you can't forget the force that was the other side of the net.
I hope DC will lift Andy's spirits next w/e.  I think he's than got an Eastern swing hasn't he? Do hope he does well in that to help him over take smugFed who I'd have thought would be feeling more demoralised by the loss given how close he came to winning.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #48 on: September 11, 2011, 02:36 PM »
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Yeah, well come on everybody. Let’s do it all again. Let’s analyse it and re-analyse it all again. Let’s post all that same recycled stuff -- in an ever-changing-sequence of words -- ever stating the same things. But the next time you see him wondering around the padded cell that can sometimes seem to be his baseline, ranting and raving like a madman -- with legs like bricks -– tugging at his shirt or his shorts or his wrist-bands, or his shoes and drawing attention to an existing or non-existing injured leg or shoulder or back, remember then that the only real reference that has been echoing down the halls of Murray’s World for the last two years or so is this – succinctly stated, once again, by Aileen…….   

“Murray is undoubtedly the author of his own downfall on these big occasions.  The game necessary to win a Slam is almost there, but the mind is not.  I've said it before and will say it again - he needs a coach who will knock his childish behaviour on the head and instil some much-needed discipline into him.

Also he has to get his self-belief back before he becomes totally demoralised by all these losses.  Again a coach could help, but again I repeat the well-worn mantra that he badly needs to consult a sports psychologist in order to get the mental side of his game sorted out.

I believe that until these issues are resolved a Slam will continue to elude him - and what a waste of great potential that is going to be.”

Yes, “what a waste of great potential that is going to be.” I remember, in the middle of 2005 New Zealand night, having decided to try and rekindle my old interest in tennis I was sitting-up with my then 17 years old son to watch Wimbledon on the telly. This young Scottish wild card came on to play Nalbanian (I think it was) and I recall thinking that I could not think of a Scottish tennis player. Some where in the course of that match I turned to my son – who probably had never witnessed his father shouting and generally nutting-off at a T.V. se till then – and said, with Scottish pride welling up in me “See that boy, son. He’s going to be one of your generation’s great champions!”

I know you saw it too! Why else would you be here tournament after tournament, match after match? Trying to arrange your days/nights to watch him play? Why else do you insist in taking that draining emotional ride?
Yes, what f---ing waste!!

I am going to put myself on the line here! (Put my well-nurtured reputation as a level-headed kinda chap – stop sniggering Caz, etc! – at risk!) Can’t we do something? Can’t we do something to help him from “his own downfall”? Can we not organise a type of “Murray World’s Fan Petition”, appealing to Andy to seriously consider bringing on-board a proper, professional coach and somehow get it to his attention?

How unrealistic is this? How much, do you think, the concerns of a number – the bigger, the better – of true, dying-hard fans would mean to Andy?

I suppose we could possibly start by having a poll to see whether a petition is a valid idea or not?
Firstly, thank you for agreeing with so much of what I said.

Secondly, like you I remember the feeling of pride I had when this skinny, wild-haired Scottish laddie first burst onto the Wimbledon scene and played his heart out against one of the world's finest, and like you I felt that here was a champion in the making.

Thirdly, having just watched his latest painful post-match loss interview with the mercifully benign Kheredine Issedane and listened to the same old record about how he has to work harder if he is to achieve his goal of winning a Slam, I feel like crying.  Just how much harder can this man work?  He's reckoned to be one of the hardest working players on the Tour as it is.  Something else I've said before is that perhaps he is working so hard that it's actually become counter-productive.  How else can one explain why he's so physically and mentally drained by the time he gets to the SF or final of a Slam that he just simply falls apart?  Last night's match was one of the worst I've ever seen.  For the first two sets his behaviour was so disturbing that I felt I really was watching some kind of lunatic.  Yet by the third set he had regained his composure and started to play tennis instead of indulging in amateur dramatics.  By then, however, against the ruthless Nadal, it was too late.

Finally, I don't know about a petition because, even if one were got up, it would have to be sent to Andy's management company and there's a strong possibility he would never get to see it.  As Andy would say, "I'm done" - because I feel so utterly lost as to how we can help him otherwise.  Why don't you send Mark a PM and ask him aboout this?  After all, he started this forum on the strength of that first match.

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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #49 on: September 11, 2011, 02:40 PM »
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I don't think Andy will have a slump, it's not like he lost in the final, also he is going straight to Scotland from NY, and once home with family and friends and then doing the Davis Cup I think he is going to be fine.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #50 on: September 11, 2011, 02:45 PM »
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Excellent report Nigel - the Three Musketeers analogy is so apt.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #51 on: September 11, 2011, 02:52 PM »
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I too have followed Andy's career since the "wild haired scottish laddie" burst onto the scenes at Wimbledon.  I have watched every match at this year's USO and here are my thoughts for what they are worth !!!  Andy's match last night sets 1 and 2 - he overthought about what he had to do - Set 3 - did what he had to do and boy did it pay off Set 4 - everything caught up on him both physically and mentally.  But he played some of the most amazing tennis during his defeat to Rafa - anyone else (barring Djoko) on the other side of the net and he would have been in the finals.  Let's not lost hope Andy is the best tennis player we have had in a mighty long time - he has amazing hand skills, shot making and now fitness levels all of which are required to win that elusive first GS - yes each defeat hurts but if we are feeling like this what must he be feeling like!!!  I for one will support him till the end GS or no GS purely because he brings something different to the court he plays beautiful tennis much of it breathtaking at times.  It is unfortunate that he plays in the same era as Rafa and Nole (I personally think that Fed will not recover from that defeat last night).  Nole has proved you can do - Andy has 99% of the ingredients for the recipe that will get him there - that 1% lies unknown - trust him he will do it - I think the positive influence of Darren Cahill and Sven Groeneveld has paid off this year - his most consistent year at the slams that in itself is an achievement that no other British player has achieved - lets celebrate what we have and lets be proud of our Scottish Enigma who can take your breath away with one swat of that racket.  Andy please come home to the Braehead Arena and let the crowd give you a scottish welcome home to lift your spirits - you will always be a hero in your homeland.  Yes it is another defeat at the hands of Rafa but having watched that whole match last night I don't think I have ever seen him play that well this year - he seems to save something that little bit special for when he plays our boy.  Andy's tennis last night was not disappointing - he played some excellent stuff - I would have been more disappointed if he had lost in the manner that Fed did.  For just now we just have to trust that with each defeat Andy learns a little bit more - perhaps last night has given 0.25% of the missing ingredient.  I for one will just end by saying I am proud to be an Andy Murray fan - he is unique, he is talented, he strong and most of all he is an individual.  Let's be proud and let's celebrate this young man for what he is one of the BEST and most CONSISTENT tennis players in the world - that is no mean feat.  Come on Muzza.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #52 on: September 11, 2011, 02:57 PM »
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I too have followed Andy's career since the "wild haired scottish laddie" burst onto the scenes at Wimbledon.  I have watched every match at this year's USO and here are my thoughts for what they are worth !!!  Andy's match last night sets 1 and 2 - he overthought about what he had to do - Set 3 - did what he had to do and boy did it pay off Set 4 - everything caught up on him both physically and mentally.  But he played some of the most amazing tennis during his defeat to Rafa - anyone else (barring Djoko) on the other side of the net and he would have been in the finals.  Let's not lost hope Andy is the best tennis player we have had in a mighty long time - he has amazing hand skills, shot making and now fitness levels all of which are required to win that elusive first GS - yes each defeat hurts but if we are feeling like this what must he be feeling like!!!  I for one will support him till the end GS or no GS purely because he brings something different to the court he plays beautiful tennis much of it breathtaking at times.  It is unfortunate that he plays in the same era as Rafa and Nole (I personally think that Fed will not recover from that defeat last night).  Nole has proved you can do - Andy has 99% of the ingredients for the recipe that will get him there - that 1% lies unknown - trust him he will do it - I think the positive influence of Darren Cahill and Sven Groeneveld has paid off this year - his most consistent year at the slams that in itself is an achievement that no other British player has achieved - lets celebrate what we have and lets be proud of our Scottish Enigma who can take your breath away with one swat of that racket.  Andy please come home to the Braehead Arena and let the crowd give you a scottish welcome home to lift your spirits - you will always be a hero in your homeland.  Yes it is another defeat at the hands of Rafa but having watched that whole match last night I don't think I have ever seen him play that well this year - he seems to save something that little bit special for when he plays our boy.  Andy's tennis last night was not disappointing - he played some excellent stuff - I would have been more disappointed if he had lost in the manner that Fed did.  For just now we just have to trust that with each defeat Andy learns a little bit more - perhaps last night has given 0.25% of the missing ingredient.  I for one will just end by saying I am proud to be an Andy Murray fan - he is unique, he is talented, he strong and most of all he is an individual.  Let's be proud and let's celebrate this young man for what he is one of the BEST and most CONSISTENT tennis players in the world - that is no mean feat.  Come on Muzza.

 Good posting! Thanks....... your words have made me shed tears.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #53 on: September 11, 2011, 02:59 PM »
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As an english person I quite envy you guys having a player like Andy,wish i could welcome him home to scotland and watch him play in the D/C
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #54 on: September 11, 2011, 03:00 PM »
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......Thirdly, having just watched his latest painful post-match loss interview with the mercifully benign Kheredine Issedane and listened to the same old record about how he has to work harder if he is to achieve his goal of winning a Slam, I feel like crying.  Just how much harder can this man work?  He's reckoned to be one of the hardest working players on the Tour as it is.  Something else I've said before is that perhaps he is working so hard that it's actually become counter-productive.  How else can one explain why he's so physically and mentally drained by the time he gets to the SF or final of a Slam that he just simply falls apart?  Last night's match was one of the worst I've ever seen.  For the first two sets his behaviour was so disturbing that I felt I really was watching some kind of lunatic.  Yet by the third set he had regained his composure and started to play tennis instead of indulging in amateur dramatics.  By then, however, against the ruthless Nadal, it was too late.

Very well put Aileen, my thoughts entirely as I posted on the other match topic. I think your description of watching a lunatic was quite correct, I had the same feeling. In hindsight it maybe wasn't unreasonable of the USTA organisers to dump him off on the lesser courts for a couple of his matches if they thought he would continually act like that  doh

As far as Andy is concerned, I think he played well and in fact on numerous occasions during the match quite, quite brilliantly. Although, it is disappointing for us, I feel we must all admit that Nadal's utter determination and positive attitude throughout the match actually won him more points than his talent!

It was almost unbearable (for me anyway) to witness Andy's continual diatribe with himself and his team at the end of almost every point........  Furthermore, it started early in the match when there was still so much to play for - what on earth was it all about? I actually screamed at the telly (or rather Andy) pleading with him to just Shut up and get on with the matter in hand. If I was Judy, his father or any other member of his team I'd be giving him a kick on the backside this morning and telling him to grow-up! Nadal must have been just loving the fact that Andy was continually beating himself up
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #55 on: September 11, 2011, 03:10 PM »
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A brilliant report after a disappointing result
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #56 on: September 11, 2011, 03:32 PM »
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As an english person I quite envy you guys having a player like Andy,wish i could welcome him home to scotland and watch him play in the D/C

He's British, by the sounds of it, so are you - get yourself up to Glasgow and see him. Smile
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #57 on: September 11, 2011, 03:48 PM »
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I too have followed Andy's career since the "wild haired scottish laddie" burst onto the scenes at Wimbledon.  I have watched every match at this year's USO and here are my thoughts for what they are worth !!!  Andy's match last night sets 1 and 2 - he overthought about what he had to do - Set 3 - did what he had to do and boy did it pay off Set 4 - everything caught up on him both physically and mentally.  But he played some of the most amazing tennis during his defeat to Rafa - anyone else (barring Djoko) on the other side of the net and he would have been in the finals.  Let's not lost hope Andy is the best tennis player we have had in a mighty long time - he has amazing hand skills, shot making and now fitness levels all of which are required to win that elusive first GS - yes each defeat hurts but if we are feeling like this what must he be feeling like!!!  I for one will support him till the end GS or no GS purely because he brings something different to the court he plays beautiful tennis much of it breathtaking at times.  It is unfortunate that he plays in the same era as Rafa and Nole (I personally think that Fed will not recover from that defeat last night).  Nole has proved you can do - Andy has 99% of the ingredients for the recipe that will get him there - that 1% lies unknown - trust him he will do it - I think the positive influence of Darren Cahill and Sven Groeneveld has paid off this year - his most consistent year at the slams that in itself is an achievement that no other British player has achieved - lets celebrate what we have and lets be proud of our Scottish Enigma who can take your breath away with one swat of that racket.  Andy please come home to the Braehead Arena and let the crowd give you a scottish welcome home to lift your spirits - you will always be a hero in your homeland.  Yes it is another defeat at the hands of Rafa but having watched that whole match last night I don't think I have ever seen him play that well this year - he seems to save something that little bit special for when he plays our boy.  Andy's tennis last night was not disappointing - he played some excellent stuff - I would have been more disappointed if he had lost in the manner that Fed did.  For just now we just have to trust that with each defeat Andy learns a little bit more - perhaps last night has given 0.25% of the missing ingredient.  I for one will just end by saying I am proud to be an Andy Murray fan - he is unique, he is talented, he strong and most of all he is an individual.  Let's be proud and let's celebrate this young man for what he is one of the BEST and most CONSISTENT tennis players in the world - that is no mean feat.  Come on Muzza.
Well said MM.  Yes Rafa himself said it was the best he'd played all year.  In all the criticisms of Andy (ok some of them justified) people should not lose sight of just how good Rafa was last night.  It's Andy's blessing and curse that he is playing in the same era as such great players.  Not just one great player as has happened to people in other eras but 2 and possibly now even 3.  But Andy too could be one of those great players - as you say he has to find that other 1%.  I just hope he's not too proud and stubborn to ask for help in finding it.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #58 on: September 11, 2011, 03:51 PM »
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He's British, by the sounds of it, so are you - get yourself up to Glasgow and see him. Smile
Would love to...... but it's along trip from the USA.
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Re: Murray out as Spanish bull sees red « Reply #59 on: September 11, 2011, 04:12 PM »
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Interesting observations from Rod Laver
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/14871125.stm

And Kevin M from the Guardian points out how frequently Andy came to the net
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/sep/11/us-open-2011-nadal-beats-murray

Do hope Andy doesn't take the wrong lesson from that - ie that he should go to the net less.  He can be so good at the net, he needs to build it into his game so that it's integral to it.
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