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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #30 on: October 11, 2013, 10:13 PM »
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I couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's struggled with his back at all except perhaps in the clay season. He was obviously completely fit for Wimbledon. Or are you suggesting a man struggling with a back problem can beat a fully fit multiple Grand Slam champion, and current world number 1, in a Grand Slam final??
He was taking pain-killers all the time and had a back specialist on hand to give him 90 minutes extra treatment after his long QF and SF matches.  So no back problem then?
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #31 on: October 11, 2013, 10:40 PM »
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He was taking pain-killers all the time and had a back specialist on hand to give him 90 minutes extra treatment after his long QF and SF matches.  So no back problem then?

IMO this is unnecessary exaggeration. If he was taking pain-killers all the time he wouldn't have been playing tennis. He'd have had this op ages ago.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #32 on: October 11, 2013, 10:52 PM »
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IMO this is unnecessary exaggeration. If he was taking pain-killers all the time he wouldn't have been playing tennis. He'd have had this op ages ago.
Can't you get it into your head that no sportsperson wants to undergo back surgery, which can be a tricky and delicate procedure, until all other options have been explored, which is what Andy has spent most of the last two years doing until things reached the stage where he felt he couldn't go on playing tennis at the top level any longer even with pain-killers and steroid injections?

Some Murray fan you are!
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #33 on: October 11, 2013, 11:16 PM »
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I couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's struggled with his back at all except perhaps in the clay season. He was obviously completely fit for Wimbledon. Or are you suggesting a man struggling with a back problem can beat a fully fit multiple Grand Slam champion, and current world number 1, in a Grand Slam final??

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He was taking pain-killers all the time and had a back specialist on hand to give him 90 minutes extra treatment after his long QF and SF matches.  So no back problem then?

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If you watch the Wimbledon final there is a point where Andy rushes to the net to hit the ball (think it's first set) and eventually stops at side of net post and pulls up clearly in discomfort.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #34 on: October 11, 2013, 11:56 PM »
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^ Yes I saw that too when I watched the replay. 

Also BN - why did Andy say later that he'd wanted to finish the match in straight sets?  It was certainly extremely hot, but I'm darn sure that wasn't the only reason, given the extra treatment he'd had to have after his two previous matches which did go beyond three.  For all we know it could well have been that specialist treatment that kept him going - that as well as sheer guts and determination, and if proof were ever needed of that, then just look at the final game.  I don't think I've ever heard a crowd go so quiet as when Djoko pulled back from 0-40 down to deuce, just when everyone thought it was all over.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #35 on: October 12, 2013, 08:00 AM »
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Any person contemplating spinal surgery has to face the possibility of something going wrong and spending the rest of their life in a wheelchair - definitely not something anyone would undertake lightly.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #36 on: October 12, 2013, 03:21 PM »
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I can see that bn is already getting reader to pour vitriol on 'Andy should he not succeed in AO.  We don't know yet how long the rehab will take; how hard he'll be able to train and do his usual fitness routine nor what effect it will have on his confidence.  Of course we're all hoping that our fears are unfounded but personally I think it's realistic not to expect too much,  So stick your big nose elsewhere.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #37 on: October 12, 2013, 05:21 PM »
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The way I see it is he has won the Gold Medal and two slams including Wimbledon. If that's all we get then so be it.

I sincerely hope he will return invigorated, simply because I would enjoy seeing him playing pain free.  I am also interested to see what he can achieve when he is not worrying about his back going.

However if the rehab doesn't work and he doesn't regain past glories, whilst I will be sad I will just be grateful for what he has given his supporters. The most important thing to me is that regardless of when he goes into retirement, he will go with at least two Grand Slam's under his belt.  I rather think if the worse happens he will regard himself as being fulfilled. Without at least one slam he would have considered himself to be a failure.

His name is secure in the annals of British and World sport. 

I think we will all know soon enough.

Let's not be too pessimistic.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #38 on: October 12, 2013, 07:22 PM »
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good to read such a positive post Masaka.  I'm too selfish though - I would be so disappointed if we couldn't enjoy Andy's wonderful tennis and further glory for him for a few more years until he is at least 30.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #39 on: October 12, 2013, 07:36 PM »
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good to read such a positive post Masaka.  I'm too selfish though - I would be so disappointed if we couldn't enjoy Andy's wonderful tennis and further glory for him for a few more years until he is at least 30.

Have no illusions I would be really disappointed as well, but I find the current situation far less stressful than I think I would have done if it happened 18 months ago.

I am sure though he will be back raring to go. I also still think he will benefit immeasurably from the mental break as well. This enforced lay off will give him chance to mentally process what he has done over the last 18 months.  I think he deserves time to quietly gloat, and get his head round just what he has achieved.  Not too mention facing up to the fact that at some point there will be a statue of another great British tennis player gracing the Wimbledon grounds.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #40 on: October 12, 2013, 07:53 PM »
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I agree what you are saying it is wonderful what has done. We must never forget it. I sure all will be well but we must not except great wins in tne next few months. He has to get back to play, knowing Andy he will be fine. Have faith he has a great team all so supportive . Just all of us have faith and support him
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #41 on: October 12, 2013, 10:35 PM »
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Have no illusions I would be really disappointed as well, but I find the current situation far less stressful than I think I would have done if it happened 18 months ago.

I am sure though he will be back raring to go. I also still think he will benefit immeasurably from the mental break as well. This enforced lay off will give him chance to mentally process what he has done over the last 18 months.  I think he deserves time to quietly gloat, and get his head round just what he has achieved.  Not too mention facing up to the fact that at some point there will be a statue of another great British tennis player gracing the Wimbledon grounds.
I agree what you are saying it is wonderful what has done. We must never forget it. I sure all will be well but we must not except great wins in tne next few months. He has to get back to play, knowing Andy he will be fine. Have faith he has a great team all so supportive . Just all of us have faith and support him
I really doubt Andy would have been sounding so cheerful if there had been any doubt as to the final outcome of his operation.  Like most of us he would have wanted to know all the facts, and all the pros and cons, both before and after the op, and wouldn't have been satisfied until he had got them.  Also, given his status in the tennis world, and the future of his career, would any surgeon worth his salt try to be anything other than honest?

I realise nothing can ever be a 100% certainty, but I'm sure that if Andy obeys medical advice to the letter (which he no doubt will) - and on that score perhaps having the monitoring of his back passed on to a specialist in the US, preferably Miami - then that plus the fact that he has a great team around him should stand him in very good stead.  I don't have any expectations as to when he will return to competition, nor as to how well he will perform when he does, or how long it will take him to get back to where he was before, but I'm confident that he will get there because he has the guts and determination to do so.

What I don't want to see is comparisons between him and Nadal, because there's a big difference between delicate back surgery and inflammation of the knees, which is what we've been led, rightly or wrongly, to believe was Nadal's problem.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #42 on: October 12, 2013, 10:40 PM »
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Have no illusions I would be really disappointed as well, but I find the current situation far less stressful than I think I would have done if it happened 18 months ago.

I am sure though he will be back raring to go. I also still think he will benefit immeasurably from the mental break as well. This enforced lay off will give him chance to mentally process what he has done over the last 18 months.  I think he deserves time to quietly gloat, and get his head round just what he has achieved.  Not too mention facing up to the fact that at some point there will be a statue of another great British tennis player gracing the Wimbledon grounds.

You have no illusions? Surely that is false. You seem to have a bad illusion about everyone but Andy.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #43 on: October 13, 2013, 10:19 AM »
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Gangsta, I think in your eagerness to put Masaka down every time she opens her mouth, you have misread her post!
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #44 on: October 13, 2013, 10:24 AM »
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Gangsta, I think in your eagerness to put Masaka down every time she opens her mouth, you have misread her post!

I have not misread the post, as confirmed by a significant other.
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