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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #45 on: October 13, 2013, 10:30 AM »
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Sounds like you've both misread it then!
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #46 on: October 13, 2013, 10:51 AM »
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I have not misread the post, as confirmed by a significant other.

Actually you have. However it matters not.  Whilst I am finding your apparent inability to refrain from commenting on any of my posts in an even vaguely rational manner wearisome, I have now accepted that you are a child and need to be dealt with as such, I.e. By ignoring attention seeking behaviour.  It is apparent that you think as little of me as I do of you, probably with a degree of justification on both sides.

Might I suggest that for the sake of peace and tranquility on this site we simply agree to ignore each other's posts.

This is not intended to re start the "war", and I will not respond again to your posts. If they are too "over the top" I will simply refer them on to Mark.

It would be helpful if you could develop sufficient maturity to recognise that simply because you disagree with an opinion, it does not necessarily make that opinion wrong.

I apologise for going off topic.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #47 on: October 13, 2013, 11:03 AM »
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Actually you have. However it matters not.  Whilst I am finding your apparent inability to refrain from commenting on any of my posts in an even vaguely rational manner wearisome, I have now accepted that you are a child and need to be dealt with as such, I.e. By ignoring attention seeking behaviour.  It is apparent that you think as little of me as I do of you, probably with a degree of justification on both sides.

Might I suggest that for the sake of peace and tranquility on this site we simply agree to ignore each other's posts.

This is not intended to re start the "war", and I will not respond again to your posts. If they are too "over the top" I will simply refer them on to Mark.

It would be helpful if you could develop sufficient maturity to recognise that simply because you disagree with an opinion, it does not necessarily make that opinion wrong.

I apologise for going off topic.

You have plastered every thread with your hate for Nadal, Federer and even Djokovic. Others are probably finding it difficult to ignore you. You obviously want to force everyone to agree with you. So stop with this Third Reich type posting.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #48 on: October 13, 2013, 01:25 PM »
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He was taking pain-killers all the time and had a back specialist on hand to give him 90 minutes extra treatment after his long QF and SF matches.  So no back problem then?

No, of course not. You know as well as I do Aileen, Andy had a three hour surgery for nothing, at least according to BN, who has never got it into his head that the back problem exists. Presumably BN also thinks Andy's time out just now is because he fancies a break. I find it hard to think Andy would spend a break doing rehab, but that's just silly old me Wink.

As for Andy when he comes back, I'm cautiously optimstic. There are no indications that the surgery was anything other than a success. Andy seems positive and has already made some plans for next year known. I don't think he would do that if there was any question that the surgery hadn't been a success.

I feel sure people will look to Andy to do a Nadal when he comes back, but I don't expect that. Nadal's dodgy knees, whatever is wrong with them - is anyone still quite sure? - are totally different to Andy's back.

We simply don't know what Andy will be like when he comes back. It could take a time for him to be match fit, but it could equally be that he comes back fit and confident, hopefully pain free and raring to go.

All I know is that whatever happens Andy's talent will not have dried up while he is away. It might take him a little time to find his feet when he comes back, but when he does I'm sure there is a lot more to come from him. I honestly don't think we've seen him peak yet.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #49 on: October 13, 2013, 01:25 PM »
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Have no illusions I would be really disappointed as well, but I find the current situation far less stressful than I think I would have done if it happened 18 months ago.

I am sure though he will be back raring to go. I also still think he will benefit immeasurably from the mental break as well. This enforced lay off will give him chance to mentally process what he has done over the last 18 months.  I think he deserves time to quietly gloat, and get his head round just what he has achieved.  Not too mention facing up to the fact that at some point there will be a statue of another great British tennis player gracing the Wimbledon grounds.
I agree with all of that Masaka.   If Andy had to have a back operation then the back end of this momentous year was the right time.  I remember Mac saying he should take a few months off when he seemed jaded at USO (though it would seem now that that was physical as well as mental).  And as Aileen reminds us Andy himself is sounding positive so I'll try to be so also. 
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #50 on: October 13, 2013, 05:11 PM »
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In retrospect I suspect, like wimbledonwestie, that the break Andy had early this year was to try to manage the back issue. I honestly get the feeling Andy has struggled with it a lot this year, not only on the clay but on the hard courts and you have to wonder how much longer the situation could have gone on. I really do hope he can get himself right now and put the injury behind him. I still really feel that what he has achieved over the last 12 months or so is all the more remarkable because he's had the back injury. I'm still looking at that as a good omen for what he might do when he's right again.

I know it sounds like something you say, but I was honestly under the impression that was why Andy had that big gap between AO and Indian Wells.  He'd maybe not been entirely specific about it, but he talked several times about how he was hoping to manage his year better, and be sufficiently rested to stay fresh and injury free through the clay season.  I'm sure that was part of the debate when we were discussing whether or not he was throwing away ranking points by not playing anything.

Some of it was explained in vague terms, like him not wanting to tire himself out with travelling across the Atlantic, but that always felt like a side issue.  He kept mentioning how important it was to find balance and not to over-train or over-play and risk injury or illness.  He'd often talk about how it was something all players had to do, and that is true.  However, he was the one with a big gap in his schedule when he could have been picking up fairly easy ranking points, and pay-cheques.

We'll just have to wait and see how long it takes for Andy to return to form.  Hopefully he'll be sufficiently progressed in his rehab that he'll be able to play fairly competitively in the exhos, so he won't be too rusty.   There's no getting away from the fact that for any serious athlete, just a couple of weeks away from training will dent their fitness, and a slow return to training will mean he's got a lot of ground to make up, and it could take a while.  That seemed to be one of the reasons Rafa delayed his return until after the Australian Open.  His knee had apparently been sufficiently healed, but some kind of virus pushed back his cardio fitness, so he wanted to get that back before playing competitively again, and to avoid having to play best of five.

Most people, including Rafa haters, expected him to take a while to get full fitness, so this isn't a new invention for Andy.  It's also worth considering that Rafa's injury didn't prevent him from doing any exercise.  He just needed to rest his knee, but he was still able to go swimming and do other sports that maintained his general fitness level, but gave his knee a rest.

I am hopeful, because Andy is young, has great support and is very eager.  However, if he has a slow start in Oz, I won't see it as a disaster.   Even Andy is unlikely to be sure of how well he will play until he gets there, and no matter what he's feeling, he'll probably say "I'm feeling really good, really fresh", as he often does, even when he knows he might struggle, lol.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #51 on: October 13, 2013, 05:46 PM »
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I feel we will have to be patient re Andy's progress and his success in 2014. But hopefully a pain free Andy will be an even better player than b4 yahooo
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #52 on: October 13, 2013, 05:51 PM »
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I feel we will have to be patient re Andy's progress and his success in 2014. But hopefully a pain free Andy will be an even better player than b4 yahooo

I just want him to be pain free. I really have not enjoyed watching him play this year (except on grass), it has seemed to be a real struggle.

However regardless The Gold Medal, US Open, Queen's this year and Wimbledon, and that childish joy when he clobbered Lendl with the ball - anything else in the future is a bonus as far as I am concerned. 

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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #53 on: October 13, 2013, 06:04 PM »
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Well, he's shown he can beat Nole and Fed. Time to start righting that H2H against Rafa yay
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #54 on: October 13, 2013, 06:43 PM »
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Well, he's shown he can beat Nole and Fed. Time to start righting that H2H against Rafa yay

Now that I CANNOT wait for!!
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #55 on: October 13, 2013, 06:46 PM »
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Me neither!  cmon yeah
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #56 on: October 16, 2013, 12:23 PM »
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Wonder what he meant by no more tennis this year?

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The dream cup is still on his website....
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #57 on: October 16, 2013, 02:22 PM »
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I believe Andy will pick up his OBE from the D uke of Cornwall on Thursday.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #58 on: October 16, 2013, 04:03 PM »
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I believe Andy will pick up his OBE from the D uke of Cornwall on Thursday.

I think it's Prince William who is doing the honours.
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Re: Murray pulls out of ATP World Tour Finals « Reply #59 on: October 16, 2013, 07:23 PM »
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I believe Andy will pick up his OBE from the D uke of Cornwall on Thursday.

I think you meant the Duke of Cambridge aka Prince William
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