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I'm implying that claming Murray can't fight against the elite and that in that position it was Djokovic's unique mental strength that allowed him to win is an exaggeration to say the least.

Murray's at the same age now as when Hewitt last reached a Slam final and many other players with similar playing styles had similar break downs, the fact he's taking extra precautions to preserve his longevity is a good thing yet he is roundly criticised even among the doom and gloomers who think that's going to happen.
So that's why you've been claiming Murray was tanking at IW ...
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This is what I'd like to hear from Murray ... from the post-IW final interview with Djokovic:

“I am playing with a lot of confidence. I'm feeling the ball well on the court. I'm very dedicated. I have a big will to win each match I'm playing on, so it will not stop here, definitely.  I want to keep on going and keep on playing good tennis."
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I'm not sure I agree he is on a par with del Potro Boogers, and if he is, not sure it'll stay that way for much longer ...

Del Potro is a one dimensional ball basher. He lucked his way to a slam thanks to his semi final opponent being injured and his final opponent being a ******* idiot.
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but ... he seems to be a winning one dimensional ball basher Smile
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but ... he seems to be a winning one dimensional ball basher Smile

But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Boring with it!
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But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Boring with it!

I'm a fan, so can't agree with that one ... plus he's very cute Smile
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Completely disagree with the del potro 'one dimensional ball basher' comments......As for Murray, I believe as Mark Petchey said, that Djokovic' run will serve to spur him on now, it wouldn't surprise me if he is the one who ends Novak's (refuse to call him 'nole', it's beyond gay) run, with irony in sport being as it is.
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Del Potro is a one dimensional ball basher. He lucked his way to a slam thanks to his semi final opponent being injured and his final opponent being a f**king idiot.

Jealous?
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Put me into the "can't stand Delboy" camp please. Only him and Soderling really, dunno why.  Oh and those serving machines too, now that truly is boring tennis. hammer
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I'm not sure I'd say anything to AM if I were ND ... it could easily be construed as being patronising ??
Some how i just don't see AM and Novack sitting down to a little chat ,they are after all competitors and are both after the same thing .i am no expert but very few young men confide this way to someone who is their peer.
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Some how i just don't see AM and Novack sitting down to a little chat ,they are after all competitors and are both after the same thing .i am no expert but very few young men confide this way to someone who is their peer.
Agreed - I posted much the same comment a few pages ago.  highfive
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Some how i just don't see AM and Novack sitting down to a little chat ,they are after all competitors and are both after the same thing .i am no expert but very few young men confide this way to someone who is their peer.
What's Novak gunna do? Put his arm around Andy's shoulder, and say, "Pull your finger out, Man!!!" He's on a roll now, and can't see him turning it up for someone he has to compete with. It is up to Andy [alone] as to what he makes of his game. He needs help and refuses to see it or get the help he needs because he thinks he can do it alone.
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Hi I'm new to your forum & a big Murray Fan, and felt compelled to say something.
I think that Buhweet has really touched on the problem with Andy Murray (as I'm sure many others have)
ie Its pretty obvious that Murray is an enormously stubborn character that almost always thinks he is correct, and why not?
This attitude has got him up to as high as number 2 in the world  + six masters sheilds & beating the best on the way etc. But now this stubborness has evidently taken him as far as it can & may have put him into a corner as well and this is what he doesn't seem to want to own up to because he doesn't like anyone to tell him what to do!
Changing long held attitudes is difficult for any of us but esp if your used to controlling your own destiny the way Andy's had to from a very young age.
He refuses to accept, it appears, that he needs to be more agressive & take the initiative. Not just against Rafa but for an entire tournament. And has done little to improve his serve which is far and away the poorest of the top 5 (look at what Novaks returned serve has done for him!).
This stubborness is why he surrounds himself with "lesser" characters that depend on him as their employer & why he hasnt yet got himself a top coach/psych etc because he knows they might tell him things he doesn't want to hear.
To me, raw talent wise, he is the natural successor to Federer and we are not wrong to be his fans, but unless he allows others that know more to further that talent & develop his attitude & approach a Slam title shall remain elusive I fear.
But he will have to accept that this is a problem of his own making & change accordingly or he will continue to stultify before the inevitable slide.
Its going to happen though, the pain should force him.
I just hope it isnt too late.
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But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Boring with it!
Sorry, have to disagree with you on that one.  I think Delpo's a very exciting player to watch and he seems to have done remarkably well for a mere ball-bahser.  And, yes, I'm a fan of his too.  I like to spread my interests around, that way I don't get too disappointed when Murray loses. Smile

Put me into the "can't stand Delboy" camp please. Only him and Soderling really, dunno why.  Oh and those serving machines too, now that truly is boring tennis. hammer
So you won't be liking young Milos Raonic who's being hailed as the second Sampras?  But no player ever achieved success on serve alone, just that it helps them a bit if they can get "cheap points" (how I hate that expression!) on their serve.

Completely disagree with the del potro 'one dimensional ball basher' comments......As for Murray, I believe as Mark Petchey said, that Djokovic' run will serve to spur him on now, it wouldn't surprise me if he is the one who ends Novak's (refuse to call him 'nole', it's beyond gay) run, with irony in sport being as it is.
I have a lot of respect for Petchey, so hope he's right.  I think it's perfectly possible for Djoko to help Murray without losing his own status, because ultimately Murray really has to do it all for himself.
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Hi I'm new to your forum & a big Murray Fan, and felt compelled to say something.
I think that Buhweet has really touched on the problem with Andy Murray (as I'm sure many others have)
ie Its pretty obvious that Murray is an enormously stubborn character that almost always thinks he is correct, and why not?
This attitude has got him up to as high as number 2 in the world  + six masters sheilds & beating the best on the way etc. But now this stubborness has evidently taken him as far as it can & may have put him into a corner as well and this is what he doesn't seem to want to own up to because he doesn't like anyone to tell him what to do!
Changing long held attitudes is difficult for any of us but esp if your used to controlling your own destiny the way Andy's had to from a very young age.
He refuses to accept, it appears, that he needs to be more agressive & take the initiative. Not just against Rafa but for an entire tournament. And has done little to improve his serve which is far and away the poorest of the top 5 (look at what Novaks returned serve has done for him!).
This stubborness is why he surrounds himself with "lesser" characters that depend on him as their employer & why he hasnt yet got himself a top coach/psych etc because he knows they might tell him things he doesn't want to hear.
To me, raw talent wise, he is the natural successor to Federer and we are not wrong to be his fans, but unless he allows others that know more to further that talent & develop his attitude & approach a Slam title shall remain elusive I fear.
But he will have to accept that this is a problem of his own making & change accordingly or he will continue to stultify before the inevitable slide.
Its going to happen though, the pain should force him.
I just hope it isnt too late.
Welcome to MW, theycanbillme! Smile

You make a lot of good points, and ones which I think most of us agree with.  I know I do.
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