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Posted on: July 31, 2012, 11:24 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
Agree completely Ruthie. I must admit I was waiting for the frustration to show over the df's, but he really just got on with it.

It's interesting about Andy's reaction to mistakes even when he is winning. The other day I watched the Roddick semi final from Queen's last year again. As we will all know, Andy played incredibly well that day, it was virtually flawless. However, those odd times he made mistakes were interesting to see. The disgust with himself was obvious, even in the context of winning and playing so well.

I think what he has come to terms with, or at least is coming to terms with now, is that he can't be perfect all the time, that he will sometimes miss. The important thing is how he handles that and moves forward.

Sure, to be truthful, although I wouldn't have called it a stroll against Stan, I never sensed Andy was in danger of losing, and maybe the test will be if/when Andy faces a sterner test. However, I do think that he has realised the importance of being calm and positive now, and I think it is a big step forward for him.
yes let's hope this does mark a real turning point tj.  Though must admit there's part of me that fears we might be falling into the trap of his detractors always waiting for him to slip up and show his frustrations again.  And in fact practically every player does at some point, even if not so vocally and obviously.  Even smugfed who supposedly floats above life's frustrations has shown how he can lose it at times.  So we mustn't be too hard on Andy if he does slip off the tight rope at times.
Posted on: July 31, 2012, 10:55 AM
Posted by: teejay1
I think you're right tj ie that Andy doesn't need Lendl actually to be there now to be calm and positive on court.   But I guess the real test will come if he gets in real trouble, which he wasn't yesterday even though I don't go along with the 'strolling' theory.  One good thing though he didn't really beat himself up over the 2 dfs, which once upon a time I think he would have done even in the context of a match he was winning.

Agree completely Ruthie. I must admit I was waiting for the frustration to show over the df's, but he really just got on with it.

It's interesting about Andy's reaction to mistakes even when he is winning. The other day I watched the Roddick semi final from Queen's last year again. As we will all know, Andy played incredibly well that day, it was virtually flawless. However, those odd times he made mistakes were interesting to see. The disgust with himself was obvious, even in the context of winning and playing so well.

I think what he has come to terms with, or at least is coming to terms with now, is that he can't be perfect all the time, that he will sometimes miss. The important thing is how he handles that and moves forward.

Sure, to be truthful, although I wouldn't have called it a stroll against Stan, I never sensed Andy was in danger of losing, and maybe the test will be if/when Andy faces a sterner test. However, I do think that he has realised the importance of being calm and positive now, and I think it is a big step forward for him.
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 11:13 PM
Posted by: caroline
Hi All
 
Marjorie ORR,posted this today
Andy Murray,does have tr Jupiter moving across his 10TH now which is a success indicator though losing the Doubles could well have been tr Neptune opposing his Mars/Pluto which is muddled and devestating and that runs right through till mid August.However he does get an exceptionally helpful,hopeful and enthusiastic tr Jupiter trine his Sun/Mars from today through this week.So he looks in good spirits with high energy.
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
Posted by: lashurst
Thanks for posting Andys quote Aileen. I'm so impressed by him sharing his experiences and how they affected him.  I'm happy that he's getting some positive response from that public.
It takes great courage for public person to openly admit they have matured. 

Posted on: July 30, 2012, 09:55 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I think you're right tj ie that Andy doesn't need Lendl actually to be there now to be calm and positive on court.   But I guess the real test will come if he gets in real trouble, which he wasn't yesterday even though I don't go along with the 'strolling' theory.  One good thing though he didn't really beat himself up over the 2 dfs, which once upon a time I think he would have done even in the context of a match he was winning.
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 06:38 PM
Posted by: teejay1
Hi All,

Just to mention, I don't know if any of you caught it, John Lloyd, covering Smugfed's match, remarked on how confident Andy looked yesterday in beating Wawrinka, and how well he played. He contrasted him with Djokovic (who I haven't seen yet myself) who had a very shaky start apparently. Nice to see Andy's confidence is being noted I thought.

Going back to Andy's demeanour, I agree with some of you that I wouldn't want him to show no emotion at all. I like the 'come on's' and all that, and his ability to get a crowd going. I've never expected him to be one of those players who laughs and jokes all the time on court, it just doesn't seem to be his thing somehow, although I think he's shown glimpses of that, i.e. in the Lloddra match at the AO, and some other times. I also don't expect him not to show some fire, indeed I like it when he does, it makes him look up for it. During the Mahut match at Queen's the one thing I did think was that Andy seemed flat all match, he just never looked up for it or ready for a fight really. It didn't seem quite like our Andy, if that makes sense.

I think it's all about balance though. God forbid that he should become too Smugfed like. One of him is quite enough thanks. But I do think Andy has beaten himself up at times, got frustrated with himself, and that has affected his concentration. As I said before, I think the negativity has used his energy up as well, which can be so costly, especially in the majors. I think sometimes he has shown opponents just that bit too much as well, let them know they've got him frazzled. That is the area where I think he has changed so much this year. If he makes a mistake he moves on much quicker to the next point and gets on with it.

I think the change in Andy started before Lendl arrived on the scene. However, I think since Lendl has been around Andy's confidence seems to have really picked up, and that has come across in his calmer outlook. It would though, wouldn't it? He is being coached by someone who has won multiple majors after losing four. Also, Lendl has been quite open about saying that he wouldn't be coaching Andy if he didn't believe he could win majors. More than that though, I'm sure it must help Andy to be around someone who has been there and done it, not just someone who has coached someone who has been there and done it, which is quite different. I think Andy is working with someone now who gets what it is like for him in the way that none of his coaches have before, and I'm convinced it has helped him a great deal.

What I do think the Wawrinka matched showed so well is that Andy's calm demeanour is still there when Lendl isn't. I must admit that for a time I was concerned that Andy would be almost on best behaviour when Lendl was around, but could slip back in to old habits when he is essentially on his own (well, apart from his team). I think the Wawrinka match, which could have got very edgy, showed that he has learned that being calm and positive helps him, and in a way his comments confirm that.

Posted on: July 30, 2012, 05:54 PM
Posted by: scotjules
 
Positive piece in the independent which includes the quote from Andy above.  It's funny as the crowd didn't sound that loud during the match watching on tv but perhaps that was because the sound wasn't that great anyway.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/other-events/tennis-pumped-murray-gives-centre-court-plenty-to-cheer-with-opening-victory-7985920.html

Great article. I never had much problem getting behind Andy either but then I may just be one of these partisan Scottish types.  Whistle  I thought the crowd sounded much louder at the doubles on Saturday.
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 02:11 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
For all of us it was obviously easy to get behind Andy. And I did not have any problems with his on-court demeanour so far as long as it does not affect his play. On the contrary, I have always been bored by watching players who show no signs of emotions, display a pokerface (or smugface) throughout the match, which some may find a sign of maturity and control, and especially in Fed's case a sign of gentleman- like behaviour. Btw, what has often been considered as ranting at his box is  for me a simple explosion of understandable anger. I am not sure if that is what he sees as "not seeming happy on  court". But sometimes it probably helps to let out your emotions, but that depends on the player, and should not be generalized. I would find it awful if all these characteristics of a player were ironed out so that in the end we have a uniform product. Imagine a tennis world full of Fed- Faces.... shocking
I agree to some extent cp and certainly wouldn't want all emotion drained out of Andy.  But I do think he's hurt himself sometimes by getting so down on himself and then letting his opponent see it.   And I agree that the supposed ranting at the box is usually anger with himself.  Another thing I always remember is Agassi saying in his autobiography that the reason tennis players talk so much to themselves on court is because it's so lonely out there. 
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 02:07 PM
Posted by: counter_ puncher
For all of us it was obviously easy to get behind Andy. And I did not have any problems with his on-court demeanour so far as long as it does not affect his play. On the contrary, I have always been bored by watching players who show no signs of emotions, display a pokerface (or smugface) throughout the match, which some may find a sign of maturity and control, and especially in Fed's case a sign of gentleman- like behaviour. Btw, what has often been considered as ranting at his box is  for me a simple explosion of understandable anger. I am not sure if that is what he sees as "not seeming happy on  court". But sometimes it probably helps to let out your emotions, but that depends on the player, and should not be generalized. I would find it awful if all these characteristics of a player were ironed out so that in the end we have a uniform product. Imagine a tennis world full of Fed- Faces.... shocking
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 02:05 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
What I liked in particular is the implication that he feels happier on court now.  And perhaps that's partly because he feels happier in his own skin - or at least that's what I sense.  So yes it's all very encouraging.  yay
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 11:41 AM
Posted by: teejay1
I tend to go along with the view that the score doesn't do justice to the match.  There were some long, nail-biting games which certainly couldn't be called a stroll.  Andy did very well in coming through against an opponent who, although not on his best form, had the potential to cause problems.  There's no doubt that Andy has benefited greatly from the increased support he's been getting since the Wimbledon final.  From the Daily Mail -

That famous display of emotion has done the 25-year-old Scot no harm, and the ovation that greeted his return to Centre Court spoke of a warmth towards him that has not been so evident before.

‘The support I got from people I bumped into in the street, from politicians and celebrities, was overwhelming after the final and I’m not really used to that,’ said Murray, who now meets Finland’s Jarkko Nieminen.  I understand that in the past it wasn’t that easy to get behind me because I didn’t look particularly happy on court.'

'Before and during Wimbledon I felt like I had grown up a bit and that my demeanour was better. All the support afterwards was great for my confidence and made me want to get back to work.  Last week I was so pumped to play that it was almost like I was peaking too early. There is a real motivation in wanting to help the team medal count here.’



I love this, it's so positive. I can't explain it really, but Andy just looks good to me. I really do feel so much that he is growing up in front of us. I have to say that I've never been bothered by his demeanour before, at least not in itself, but it's the message it sends out to opponents that I think is the point. Andy looks to me like a man on something of a mission now, a man who looks for a way in, not a way out. I also think that positive energy takes less out of you that negativity, and even gives you that bit extra, which has to help. It's all good.

Posted on: July 30, 2012, 10:06 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Nice article Ruthie and so good Andy is starting to feel confident cos we all know what confidence does mentally yay
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 08:50 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
Positive piece in the independent which includes the quote from Andy above.  It's funny as the crowd didn't sound that loud during the match watching on tv but perhaps that was because the sound wasn't that great anyway.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/other-events/tennis-pumped-murray-gives-centre-court-plenty-to-cheer-with-opening-victory-7985920.html
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 06:31 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Gr8 quote from Andy there clap Thanx Aileen.
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 01:11 AM
Posted by: adb..OH
Well done, Andy!
Posted on: July 30, 2012, 12:48 AM
Posted by: Aileen
I tend to go along with the view that the score doesn't do justice to the match.  There were some long, nail-biting games which certainly couldn't be called a stroll.  Andy did very well in coming through against an opponent who, although not on his best form, had the potential to cause problems.  There's no doubt that Andy has benefited greatly from the increased support he's been getting since the Wimbledon final.  From the Daily Mail -

That famous display of emotion has done the 25-year-old Scot no harm, and the ovation that greeted his return to Centre Court spoke of a warmth towards him that has not been so evident before.

‘The support I got from people I bumped into in the street, from politicians and celebrities, was overwhelming after the final and I’m not really used to that,’ said Murray, who now meets Finland’s Jarkko Nieminen.  I understand that in the past it wasn’t that easy to get behind me because I didn’t look particularly happy on court.'

'Before and during Wimbledon I felt like I had grown up a bit and that my demeanour was better. All the support afterwards was great for my confidence and made me want to get back to work.  Last week I was so pumped to play that it was almost like I was peaking too early. There is a real motivation in wanting to help the team medal count here.’

Posted on: July 29, 2012, 10:26 PM
Posted by: caroline
Will have to wait and hope that i can go to watch the players at the O2 this year.would have gone last year.Hubby offered to pay for me to go.Instead of buying me a birthday present,but due to ill health was not able to go in the end,so lost out on both fronts.But am determined to go this year,come hell or high water.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 10:14 PM
Posted by: Fiverings
Seves 'em right that a lot of the empty seats are "prime ringside" so that tv coverage makes the attendance look even poorer than it is.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 10:01 PM
Posted by: caroline
Big fuss over all of the empty seats.Coe said on BBC news it's being looked into and seats will be offered to students,etc etc.Tennis was one of the venues that was mentioned as having to many empty seats.They shoulld be selling tickets to true supporters of these sports at decent prices,instead of all these big corporations,so serves them bl--dy well right that it's being made into a big embaressment for them.I would have loved to have been able to go and watch Andy play,at an affordable price but no chance.Way out of most true supporters price range.Coe now saying they gonna fill these empty venues buy offering people the chance to buy tickets to fill these empty seats.He said they do that at the tennis allready if a seat is empty for longer than 30mins,then people are given a chance to buy a ticket and fill that seat'
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Posted on: July 29, 2012, 09:13 PM
Posted by: tennis_girl
Yeah, Phil, why couldn't you be more negative? lol