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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #60 on: October 17, 2011, 09:56 PM »
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Tramlines on Eurosport is just a "love-in" for Federites who refuse to accept that their man has come to a certain point in his career where it is inevitable that the younger guard are going to take over.  Andy is doing exactly what Djoko did playing the tournaments that are on and getting the win - a solid foundation on which to build upwards.  He is damned if he does and damned if doesn't.  His hat trick in Asia was truly brilliant and if it had been Federer the papers would be full of it - if it was Nadal it would be a supreme achievement and if it was Djoko then it would be further proof of his brilliance.  Well it wasn't any of them it was Andy so I would like to see the press give him some credit for this amazing achievement.  During the three tournaments Andy played tennis that all those three would have been proud of.  He has turned a corner and is finally putting things in place to take that final step.  Come on Andy take Paris and then I would love to see you winning at the O2 - what a confidence boost before AO 2012.  But come whatever you will always be supported by your true fans who have long admired your talent and ability and have long known that you will DO IT!!!!!  Very pleased to see the massive amount of positivity on MW it's where the true fans are !!!!  Come on Andy with you all the way.............
I hope Andy rubs their dirty faces further in the dirty between now and Christmas!

Sportmen and women have ups and downs, so what if Nadal is on a 'downer' just now, due to loss of form, or whatever. He played in those tournays and lost, like Andy has done in other tournaments.
Nothing can take away anyones past acheivents, and therefore we dont need to knock Rafa, do we? The same applies to Djoko and Federer, who, are taking a sabatical! I.E. NOT IN FORM!

I sincerely hope that Murray fans have long memories and when the time comes that Andy starts to decline at 30 something, that 'we' are more gracious and generous as to remember this, and not to sink to the lowly tactics of the gutter and sewage.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #61 on: October 17, 2011, 10:07 PM »
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I am not slating anyone especially not Federer- he has given his all to the game but now must accept that he will not be able to keep pace with the younger guard.  Rafa, Djoko and Andy are the ones that I think will be at the top next year my point was aimed at the press and their reluctance to acknowledge the achievement of a hat trick of tourny wins.  It was a great achievement but one that was downed by a lot of the press as Fed and Djoko were not there and Rafa appeared to be not playing to his full fitness etc.  There is no way that I was knocking Rafa he never mentioned illness / injury he took his defeats in a sporting manner.  Pity the press could not be a bit more sporting and give Andy some credit - that was the point I was trying to make.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #62 on: October 17, 2011, 10:18 PM »
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Something funny on Twitter, re Davis Cup:  Buenos Aires sports newspaper asks for Andy Murray to be given Argentinian citizenship in time for Davis Cup final.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #63 on: October 17, 2011, 10:34 PM »
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Shame that foreign media can appreciate what ours cannot.  Hope Andy gets to know about it and it makes him smile.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #64 on: October 18, 2011, 12:45 AM »
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Thought Andy's Chinese effort was very funny and the po faced people in the best seats even funnier. The posies for the men are sillier still. I also think that the interview should take place after he has done his bit to the fans and got his breathe back. The game was excellent and Ferrer a worthy loser. I wish that commentators would stop analysing him and stick to the tennis points.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #65 on: October 18, 2011, 01:52 AM »
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There is an absolutely terrible article re Andy in Tramlines on Eurosport. I have emailed my disgust. Perhaps a few more should do the same.

"For Murray to take strength from that fact ("If you finish in front of Federer in a year, then there's not many people in the last five, six, seven years that have been able to say that" were his words) is like Tramlines patting itself on the back for being able to take a set off Rod Laver now that he's in his mid-70s. It's the wrong comparison with the wrong man at the wrong time, and therefore meaningless."

Reading this person summarising Andy's "meanless", I noticed that he failed to mention another of Andy's statistics. Andy and Federer's head-to-head:

They have met 14 times and Andy has won 8 to Federer's 6.

Either those times -- meaningless times, no doubt -- that Andy won must have been when Federer was feeling like a retired 70 something, was carrying an injury or was in the latter years of his magnificence. Or, perhaps, they are a reflection of the fact that Andy has the beating of Federer and just may be the better player.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #66 on: October 18, 2011, 02:05 AM »
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...and improving!
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #67 on: October 18, 2011, 03:30 AM »
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Just finished reading the said article....................i have not laughed out loud like i did in many years, very biased, no real objectivity very  ephemeral and forgettable piece of writing, great to see  most of the posts there did not support the authors findings!
I read Tramlines's article after somebody emailed me a link to it.  What ignorant sour-grapes garbage!  The sender of that link reckoned that some would support Tramlines's view, and here's what my response was:

Undoubtedly, but I'm not one of them, and from some of the comments I read about the article I'm far from being alone.  Of course Murray needs to win a Slam if he's ever to gain total credibility as a great player and Tramlines does have a point that his path to these three consecutive wins might have been made easier by the absence of Messrs Federer and Djokovic along with a somewhat dysfunctional Nadal, but I do get very peed off by smart-ass journalists who take delight in denigrating sporting achievements, whether Murray's or anyone else's.    

Also from what I read yesterday about Murray's own feelings about his recent successes, I don't get any sense of complacency, as Tramlines's suggests, rather a determination to build on them.  I really do think he's taken a good hard look at himself after his defeat in the USO, hence his willingness to listen to and take on board the advice of the Adidas team.  His whole thinking has changed.  So I say, give the man a break and let's see what he achieves in 2012.


Of course there will be those who support Tramlines's views, i.e. those who seek to put Andy down no matter what he achieves.  Even if he wins a Slam they'll probably find something negtive to say about it.

I would like to see the press give him some credit for this amazing achievement.
I don't know what articles you looked at, but all the articles I read yesterday in the press (five in all) were extremely positive and gave credit where it was very much due.

Thanks for that.  The author, Patrick Mouratoglou, just happens to be a world-renowned coach who runs a tennis academy in France which is reckoned to be one of the best in the world.  Tramlines, on the other hand, is merely an arrogant hack blogger.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #68 on: October 18, 2011, 08:00 AM »
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I wonder why the Winner of the Beijing Final Tomas B did not have his win belittled as the top seed was Tsonga who was seeded 7 or 8.Whereas Andy had the higher seeds in his tournaments and Nadal #2 and Ferrer#5. If you look at Tokyo and Beijing entry list, the former had the higher seed list. Yet nothing was made of this in the press and by the Murray detractors. So the no 1 and 3 seed weren't there, many of I'm sure feel that even if they had been there Andy would have won anyway.
Interesting to see that the players to have won most indoors are Federe, closely followed by Andy and then Soderling.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #69 on: October 18, 2011, 09:22 AM »
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Well of course the article was total dross, but I did love seeing the reader's comments! Andy will make Tramlines eat his words and I hope he chokes on them!
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #70 on: October 18, 2011, 10:57 AM »
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Wow that Tramlines article is total garbage. If Andy's had such a 'dismal' year then what does that say about the players ranked below him?! Most players would love to have Andy's career - David Ferrer, for example, would love to just win one Masters title (and I hope he does at some point).

I don't think the results would have been any different had Novak and Federer turned up to the Asia tournaments. Fed hasn't exactly been in sparkling form in the Masters series this year, so it's unlikely he'd have even got to the final to face Andy anyway. And Novak tends to play better on slower hardcourts rather than a fast one like Shanghai.

Oh well, Andy will prove his detractors wrong when he goes into a slam final full of self confidence and belief and wins his first slam. Smile

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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #71 on: October 18, 2011, 12:18 PM »
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Wow that Tramlines article is total garbage. If Andy's had such a 'dismal' year then what does that say about the players ranked below him?! Most players would love to have Andy's career - David Ferrer, for example, would love to just win one Masters title (and I hope he does at some point).

I don't think the results would have been any different had Novak and Federer turned up to the Asia tournaments. Fed hasn't exactly been in sparkling form in the Masters series this year, so it's unlikely he'd have even got to the final to face Andy anyway. And Novak tends to play better on slower hardcourts rather than a fast one like Shanghai.

Oh well, Andy will prove his detractors wrong when he goes into a slam final full of self confidence and belief and wins his first slam. Smile


Yes well said Katie, it seems to me it will never matter what Andy achieves some will still find rubbish to write. when he wins his 1st slam (next year ) they will say when and if he will win another!! we all love him and no what an amazing tennis player he is and thats all that matters in my book. Hope you have a wonderful winning end to your year Andy. yay
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #72 on: October 18, 2011, 01:42 PM »
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 wub :wub:hurray!!!!!!!!!murray is now d new world no. 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #73 on: October 18, 2011, 01:46 PM »
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Yes I feel it is sour grapes Andy is a great player but unfortunately there are people in this world who will never appreciate him. They as so blinkered and biased that they cannot se what a great player he is. That goes in the UK too to many people can only see that he has to win a Grand Slam to be a champion. Andy is a champion NOW and is the best tennis player the UK has produced.
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Re: Murray the Goliath defeats David « Reply #74 on: October 18, 2011, 02:01 PM »
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What made me even more livid was a comment in the middle of an otherwise positive article by Stuart Bathgate in The Scotsman yesterday:

'Although Murray is still only 24 and may well compete in another 30-40 Slams, even Djokovic's tally already looks uncatchable.  In other words, when a line is drawn under the careers of all four (Roger, Rafa, Nole & Andy) a decade or so from now, the careers of the other three will be seen as greater than Murray's.'

How can he possibly know that - does he have a crystal ball?  While it may well be the case that Andy ends up with fewer Slam victories than the other three at the end of his career, he  could well go into 2012 and win all 4 and be the first of them to achieve the year 'Grand Slam'.  It seems as though even in praising Andy some jounalists have to find a negative comment - infuriating!!   grr grr grr
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