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Posted on: February 19, 2012, 09:36 AM
Posted by: deb
No need to apologise - it was great to read it and then see it withdrawn - how often does that happen? It was a very weird article.
Thanks Elena, it was a very strange one!! Andy will show them all soon.
Posted on: February 19, 2012, 12:53 AM
Posted by: Elena
Sorry Guys for telling you about it, but when I read it I was out raged.
No need to apologise - it was great to read it and then see it withdrawn - how often does that happen? It was a very weird article.
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 07:09 PM
Posted by: deb
Just as well the article has been removed, I did not even had a peep at as I know what a talented player Andy is and he only needs a few tweaks in his game and a few on the mentality side, so I am not in the bit interested in some idiots view on Andy who is only trying to impress, the people who don't know a thing about the kind of tennis Andy plays.
Sorry Guys for telling you about it, but when I read it I was out raged.
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 07:08 PM
Posted by: Apollo
Good thing that players do not read most of the rubbish that is written about them. Every now and then something good is written. And I believe players know who the good writers are.   But like someone else said those who do not know tennis or are not fans of Andy would tend to believe the rotten articles.

Seems like Andy has not played forever......looking forward his next.
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 05:20 PM
Posted by: ChrisMac
Just as well the article has been removed, I did not even had a peep at as I know what a talented player Andy is and he only needs a few tweaks in his game and a few on the mentality side, so I am not in the bit interested in some idiots view on Andy who is only trying to impress, the people who don't know a thing about the kind of tennis Andy plays.
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 05:09 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
Yes just tried to find it but couldn't - but may have been moved to the archive but as I don't know what I'm looking for don't think I'll bother. Indeed not sure why I even clicked on it as why should I read what sounds like rubbish from a has-never-been?  Life's too short.   Whistle
Btw that's not meant as a criticism for posting the link but as thanks to those who have effectively warned me off.  w00t
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 11:54 AM
Posted by: deb
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The article seems to have been removed!
oh good perhaps people complained!!  Whistle
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 11:42 AM
Posted by: Elena
The article is here Its very negative, and hopefully, wrong about the future.

The article seems to have been removed!
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 11:24 AM
Posted by: theycanbillme
From a Murray's fans of view we can see clearly what's wrong with this article/blog but those who aren't fans of Andy would totally buy into it and believe every word of it. That's the unfortunate part.

It's not that he completely ignored Andy's unforced errors but also, he dared to compare last year's final vs this year's semi-final. There's a very big difference between a semi-final vs final match. Andy, after all, has made 3 finals and 1 time beating Nadal in the semi, so clearly he is not as mentally crippled when it comes to semis even against the big boys. With the exception of RG semi, he was able to take a set from Nadal from both Wimbledon and USO. And this year's semi against Nole went to the 5th set, whereas he was never able to take a set in the final. You can see the clear difference here.

Also, he talks about the 4th set in the final match where Nole was 5 all 0-40 up against Nadal and states how close Nole came winning it in 4, but he quickly forgets that Andy was in fact 2 sets to 1 up too and against Nole no other and had he stayed tuned, he too would have had a grand chance to close it in 4. The moment just became too big for him and he let things go a bit and there went the 4th set as well. But he again had his chances in the 5th set and was literally a few points away from the match too.

Another thing he harps on and on is how Nole’s level of play this year was not the same as last year; therefore, Andy and maybe Nadal too was able to push him this far. But is it not possible that given Nole’s last year's record, both Nadal and Andy were more ready for him this time, therefore raised their level as well? I mean how can you prove that didn’t happen? That’s a possibility too as I see it.

I only know one guy and his name is Laurie H. and I’ve gone back and forth with him a few times in the past and he once posted an article about Andy on the other forum, which I thought was very neutral and more to the point though I didn’t agree with it entirely. But at least you can tell that, he wasn’t into writing someone off and was more into pointing out what Andy was doing wrong mostly technically and how he lacked a clear gamepaln against Nole. That was after the 2011 AO final.  


I think we can all agree that it has been Andy's lack of mental fortitude at the business end of a slam that has been the glaring problem with him. But here's the thing if it was a question of ability then I would be more pessimistic. He can move on from this.  I'm sure he was  nervous about Masters finals, once upon a time & now he's probably one of the strongest ever at this level. He just needs that final push of confidence and perhaps a dash of luck & if he keeps on putting himself in the mix, I believe we shall all be able to look back on this time with a dash of wry humour. And it wont come soon enough.
Posted on: February 17, 2012, 09:10 AM
Posted by: deb
I just checked also.
Andy actually had an 86 UE count for that match against Novaks 69.
So who got away with the most in that one?
Once Andy has been fully re-gauged & settled in with his new offensive baseline game.
The glorious 3 shall be having kittens all year, of that I have no doubt.
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Posted on: February 17, 2012, 12:28 AM
Posted by: Emma Jean
From a Murray's fans of view we can see clearly what's wrong with this article/blog but those who aren't fans of Andy would totally buy into it and believe every word of it. That's the unfortunate part.

It's not that he completely ignored Andy's unforced errors but also, he dared to compare last year's final vs this year's semi-final. There's a very big difference between a semi-final vs final match. Andy, after all, has made 3 finals and 1 time beating Nadal in the semi, so clearly he is not as mentally crippled when it comes to semis even against the big boys. With the exception of RG semi, he was able to take a set from Nadal from both Wimbledon and USO. And this year's semi against Nole went to the 5th set, whereas he was never able to take a set in the final. You can see the clear difference here.

Also, he talks about the 4th set in the final match where Nole was 5 all 0-40 up against Nadal and states how close Nole came winning it in 4, but he quickly forgets that Andy was in fact 2 sets to 1 up too and against Nole no other and had he stayed tuned, he too would have had a grand chance to close it in 4. The moment just became too big for him and he let things go a bit and there went the 4th set as well. But he again had his chances in the 5th set and was literally a few points away from the match too.

Another thing he harps on and on is how Nole’s level of play this year was not the same as last year; therefore, Andy and maybe Nadal too was able to push him this far. But is it not possible that given Nole’s last year's record, both Nadal and Andy were more ready for him this time, therefore raised their level as well? I mean how can you prove that didn’t happen? That’s a possibility too as I see it.

I only know one guy and his name is Laurie H. and I’ve gone back and forth with him a few times in the past and he once posted an article about Andy on the other forum, which I thought was very neutral and more to the point though I didn’t agree with it entirely. But at least you can tell that, he wasn’t into writing someone off and was more into pointing out what Andy was doing wrong mostly technically and how he lacked a clear gamepaln against Nole. That was after the 2011 AO final.  
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 11:52 PM
Posted by: Alis
After reading all your comments I won't waste my time reading the article - thanks guys!
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 09:15 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
These sorts of articles/blogs are written mainly for the typical, ordinary, simple minded people who probably buy everything they see, read etc. As once a wise man said, if you believe everything you read, then you might as well not read anything at all. But then again, if you are a few steps ahead of them and you write about that, then chances are, it will be beyond them. Why bother with it anyway. There’s not even an ounce of objectivity there in that article. Completely biased not to mention, a very wrong assessment of the match.  Also, very busy drawing too many conclusions far too quickly. One literally doesn't know where to start.
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 09:09 PM
Posted by: Elena
What a ridiculous article by .....erm.....who?
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 07:40 PM
Posted by: theycanbillme
I just checked also.
Andy actually had an 86 UE count for that match against Novaks 69.
So who got away with the most in that one?
Once Andy has been fully re-gauged & settled in with his new offensive baseline game.
The glorious 3 shall be having kittens all year, of that I have no doubt.
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 07:29 PM
Posted by: theycanbillme
Oh please,
Who cares what some sycophantic idiot says?
There's millions of them.
The author is just another non entity glory hunter in love with the new best thing who is welcome to his or her opinion.
You can't pretend the world is full of intelligent people when it is not.
This blogger is clearly not a fan of Andy's and his argument didn't entirely make sense either, nor was a credible assessment of the situation that he himself described.
Neither Andy or Novak played particularly well for the first 2 sets, had either one done that it would have been game over.
But they both played some incredible stuff later on with Andy pushing Novak to the limits of his abilities, & he should have won.
Does he really think that both Andy and Rafa are so beneath Novak in talent that they are never going to beat him?
I don't buy it!
Novaks absolute dominance is already almost at an end I believe.
In any instance as Blueberry has said the coaching relationship has only just begun with Lendl.
Next!
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 07:10 PM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Two things 1) author purports to know what Andy's thinking, donja just love that no
and 2) At AO Lendl had been working with Andy for what, 5 days? Just a bit early to be assessing his influence Think
For all we know Lendl's mere reassuring presence may have the stabilising effect Andy needs.
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 06:59 PM
Posted by: colin
The article is here Its very negative, and hopefully, wrong about the future.
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 06:00 PM
Posted by: deb
I have just read it and it is a load of rubbish. Written by someone who didn't get past the Futures and Satelite level, and is suffering from jealousy.
Yes couldnt believe it !!! Gets on my nerves.
Posted on: February 16, 2012, 05:12 PM
Posted by: Alis
...........  which is so often the case!