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Mark
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2009, 12:31 AM »
Andrew Castle impressed with Murray's progress
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7852059.stm#id7850000/7852000
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #106 on: January 27, 2009, 12:43 AM »
Quote from: Clydey on January 26, 2009, 10:45 PM
More and more convinced that he was genuinely affected by his illness. He's reluctant to use it as an excuse, but a few of his comments indicate that it affected him.
I watched an interview and I couldn't believe how pale he looked, like a ghost. He needs to be quarantined next year.
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #107 on: January 27, 2009, 12:47 AM »
Watching the BBC video interview of him, it seems so obvious he avoided answering the questions about his illness because he knows if he answers it honestly then it would come across as him making excuses.
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #108 on: January 27, 2009, 01:35 AM »
Quote from: Mark on January 27, 2009, 12:47 AM
Watching the BBC video interview of him, it seems so obvious he avoided answering the questions about his illness because he knows if he answers it honestly then it would come across as him making excuses.
I agree but its the right thing to do. Take it on the chin and move on. Andrew Castle has said it all in that interview above, its no drama! Still Gutted he`s out but thats life. Keep the chin up Andy, your time will come!
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #109 on: January 27, 2009, 08:21 AM »
Quote from: top_spin on January 26, 2009, 08:56 PM
It's not even an article? He writes his post in a completely over reactive manner!
Andy would have surely mentioned it to the umpire, he's not one to keep his mouth shut. I can't even think who would have been there, Verdasco doesn't have a permanent coach but I know Gil Reyes was working with him over Christmas, he supported Agassi for at least 10 years.
Whether it's true or not, Andy will definitely (and unfortunately) have to put up with this kind of thing if he is regularly going into tournies as favourite - might as well get used to it now I guess
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #110 on: January 27, 2009, 09:54 AM »
Verdasco did not play "The Tennis of his life" he just played good tennis!Murray on the other hand in my opinion, was far to passive. He let Verdasco dominate, and was content in the last two sets to just counter punch. At such a crucial apex of the match surely he should have been much more agressive? Anyway once the dust has settled murray only has himself to answer to. Only he knows how he felt on the court. Sometimes you can be honest (his illness not as excuse) but not really be concise. Its fairly obvious to me that murray was not himself in his 4th round match. And because of this just did not have the stamina to out last a worthy opponent on the day? Murray knows he has learned another valuble lesson. Sometimes you have to take the fight to the aggressor and not rely on the other opponent making errors in order you win, sometimes they don't come!!
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« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2009, 10:08 AM »
Quote from: ellyb on January 26, 2009, 11:04 PM
I wonder if he would still have come in for the same criticism if he'd pulled out of the tournament due to illness, rather than choosing to try to play....
It strikes me that Andy is the type of person who would be as stubborn as hell and try to play, when he really shouldn't have. If we feel let down, imagine how he must be feeling within himself. And if that's the case, then it's testament to his integrity not to use illness as an excuse.
I've just been reading all the posts and the Castle interview which wasn one of the best I've heard or seen so far and I also watched Novak throw in the towel in the heat. THe commentators on Eurosport said, probably unkindly, that he didn't want to lose so gave up. Also read the comments posted on AM re Verdasco. It all puts Andy right on top in my estimation and elly's comments just round it up nicely. It also poses the question in my mind as to how 'qualified' Novak is to win a Grand Slam - was last year's Aussie a fluke? To my mind Andy has overtaken him in talent and maturity.
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« Reply #112 on: January 27, 2009, 10:14 AM »
Quote from: janscribe on January 27, 2009, 10:08 AM
I've just been reading all the posts and the Castle interview which wasn one of the best I've heard or seen so far and I also watched Novak throw in the towel in the heat. THe commentators on Eurosport said, probably unkindly, that he didn't want to lose so gave up. Also read the comments posted on AM re Verdasco. It all puts Andy right on top in my estimation and elly's comments just round it up nicely. It also poses the question in my mind as to how 'qualified' Novak is to win a Grand Slam - was last year's Aussie a fluke? To my mind Andy has overtaken him in talent and maturity.
Djokovic has certainly lost his cockiness and self-assurance since Wimbledon last year. To my mind, Andy has definitely overtaken him in terms of talent, if not ranking (yet). Djoko has plenty of points to defend over the next few months until Wimbledon (Indian Wells title, Rome title, Hamburg/Madrid semis, RG semi, Queen's runner-up) and I would be surprised if he did half as well this time. Andy had a distinctly average showing over this period last year, so the time is ripe for a ranking swap!
I feel much better about Andy's exit today - it looks now as though he clearly was affected by illness and this had consequences for his performance. He should realise this and not let it affect his confidence. The best thing he can do now is to win Rotterdam in two weeks time. I can't wait for the start of that!
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Djokovic made the semis of Monte Carlo last year too!
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« Reply #113 on: January 27, 2009, 10:17 AM »
From the beeb, by Caroline Cheese:-
Murray defeat should not spell panic
In the search for perspective following Andy Murray’s fourth-round exit at the Australian Open, it is worth rewinding six years to 2003.
Back then, a 21-year-old Roger Federer – seeded sixth - suffered a five-set defeat by 10th seed David Nalbandian at exactly the same stage in Melbourne.
It prompted one British newspaper journalist to write that the Swiss was "fast taking the Tim Henman mantle of a talented choker".
Federer, as if anyone needs reminding, went on to win the first of 13 Grand Slams (and counting) at Wimbledon later that same season.
Along the way, he has played poor matches and still won: only on Sunday, the world number two was scraping past Tomas Berdych despite dropping the first two sets.
Federer, along with Novak Djokovic, had expressed surprise that Murray had been installed as joint favourite for the title, and the world number two has become increasingly annoyed at having to answer questions about the Scot as the tournament has progressed.
Murray may have had an unbeaten start to the season and been the form player of the last six months, but Grand Slam tournaments, Federer argued, are a "different animal".
So it proved.
Troubled by illness – on which he refused to blame his fluctuating performance against 14th seed Fernando Verdasco – Murray could not even beat his previous Australian Open best.
His critics – many of them on here on 606 – claimed he was overhyped by the British media and the bookmakers.
But it was the Australian Age newspaper which chose to print a picture of Murray on Saturday under the headline: "Can He Do It? Yes He Can."
And no one can blame the bookies for tipping a player who had lost just five matches since Wimbledon, a run which featured two wins over Djokovic, three over Federer and one over Rafael Nadal.
But only the Nadal win came in a five-set match and it was closely followed by defeat in the US Open final by Federer.
He wasn’t quite ready to win his first Grand Slam title then, and it emerged in Melbourne that he perhaps still lacks that maturity which only comes with the big-match experience.
Murray, showing flashes of the sort of petulant behaviour which scarred the early stages of his career, suffered an aberration against an in-form player on Monday.
It happens, and Murray – a voracious student of the game - will learn from it.
Indeed, amid the obvious disappointment of his early defeat, it was Murray who managed to put it into some kind of perspective.
"I'll go and speak to my coach, the guys that I work with, and see if there's things that I could have done better, things that I can improve," he said.
"But, I mean, for me it's not a disaster. I'm still playing well. I lost to a good player in a very close match. I'll have more chances to win Grand Slams."
Federer would attest to that. He prevailed in his 17th Grand Slam tournament. Murray has just lost in his 13th.
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #114 on: January 27, 2009, 10:22 AM »
That's a good article, though I think it makes too much of the inexperience factor. For me, it was largely due to illness, though he could have been more aggressive to shorten the points and so reduce exhaustion. It was just all wrong yesterday, however.
I haven't seen any press reports on the defeat yesterday. It would be typical if there were to be a media backlash and subsequent rounding on Andy by the know-nothing football fans. He doesn't deserve it here though - it wasn't a choke, the illness obviously affected him.
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« Reply #115 on: January 27, 2009, 10:25 AM »
Excellent posts, Joe, especially earlier in the thread re the forthcoming matches. I too am looking forward not just to Rotterdam but to the rest of the year. Let's hope he can overtake Novak.
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« Reply #116 on: January 27, 2009, 10:32 AM »
Quote from: janscribe on January 27, 2009, 10:25 AM
I too am looking forward not just to Rotterdam but to the rest of the year. Let's hope he can overtake Novak.
I consider that to be a win win scenario
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« Reply #117 on: January 27, 2009, 11:36 AM »
Quote from: Bevc on January 27, 2009, 10:32 AM
I consider that to be a win win scenario
That would be wonderful wouldn't it, Bev? I have never really liked Novak but I couldn't pinpoiint a reason. Charming, said the right things at press etc etc. Got all the right publicity, but there was just something I couldn't cotton to. Then there were the injuries and the retirements in matches, somehow he seemed immature - not what he was made out to be and now the retirement against Roddick. Maybe he couldn't continue but the 'but' is still there and the bad comments from commentators keep coming.
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #118 on: January 27, 2009, 03:50 PM »
Quote from: Sarah_ on January 26, 2009, 08:46 AM
I think the illness unless Murray comes out in his press conference saying he was ill is irrelevant. Bottom line is he played poor, and looked second class in comparison to Verdasco (who btw I don't think played 'the tennis of his life' - he just played really good tennis), plenty of people could have beaten Murrays passive tennis today.
oh yeah anyone could have done it,my dad said he didnt look like an ill and it was all on him
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Re: Murray tumbles in topsy-turvy encounter
« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2009, 05:43 PM »
If Andy had been Nole he'd have pulled out before the Melzer match. He's such a quitter. Let's just thank our stars he isn't and still gives it all he's got! R4, let's face it, isn't that great. But it's not a disaster! As soon as he got the cold he wasn't going to win. I think we should be pleased he beat Melzer!
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