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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #90 on: July 09, 2012, 09:29 PM »
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I'm suffering from post Wimbledon  blues.  It's a killer  Frown    I really don't want to talk about tennis for a wee while... Don't know what I'm feeling.  its such a strange a feeling.  I  dreamt last night that Andy had won against Fed  .. I was happy.. I had happy tears.  Andy fell to the ground... ran up to the players box.  Everyone was just ecstatic.   then I woke up... I wasn't best pleased. Frown     
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #91 on: July 10, 2012, 01:43 AM »
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I'm still feeling very emotional about it all but don't have that sense of bleak numbness I had after the last 2 gs final losses.
Like you Ruthie I haven't had the same feeling of bleakness after this final.  I felt a bit emotional at the time and even more so when, later on yesterday, I played the video of his speech and realised the full extent of the crowd support he was getting.  Not only did he get an ovation  when he came off court but he was cheered and applauded throughout his speech.  In short, the crowd just loved him for showing himself to be a human being like themselves as well as being a player who had acquitted himself honourably in such a challenging final by battling right to the end.  In fact, if anyone can handle listening to it (got me all emotional again - I just feel so very proud of him ) here it is on YouTube -




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Have just checked out bbc website and found Andy's latest column -he sounds to be dealing with it well. And I'm very glad he's going to take a week's break in the sun somewhere with Kim and possibly the dogs.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18766101
That's excellent news - but please, not Miami!  He wants to get completely away from anything to do with tennis.  In fact if the weather were better, and because Andy's someone who doesn't like to be inactive, I'd like to see him take Kim and the dogs to one of the remoter parts of his native country where they could go for long walks and get plenty of fresh air with not a tennis court or gym within striking distance!

Well I've read a great deal of very positive things about Andy in the press today, and some bits of crap as well - there really are some moronic journalists out there - but the positives are truly amazing.  Our lad has finally arrived.

Also my opinion of Federer has gone up (well, temporarily).  From the pics John posted, and from what Fed himself has said, I believe his reactions have been genuine.  In fact in one report I read, when he praised Andy, he actually said "This is genuine".   Maybe he realises what a creep he's been in the past!  
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #92 on: July 10, 2012, 04:14 AM »
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wasnt that heartbreaking to watch  

really thought this might be it , but it wasnt meant to be i guess.  Still feel optimistic tho .
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #93 on: July 10, 2012, 04:43 AM »
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wasnt that heartbreaking to watch   

really thought this might be it , but it wasnt meant to be i guess.  Still feel optimistic tho .
I'm completely optimistic Smile
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #94 on: July 10, 2012, 07:39 AM »
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I too am not feeling as bad as with his other losses.  I feel Federer had to play the tennis of his life and all but said so to beat Andy and Andy played some suberb tennis.

It was a joy to watch a real tennis match instead of a slugfest.  Both players really play proper tennis.  My father, grandmother and aunt would have been delighted with that match.

Federer was generous in his intervierw must lets not forget he won.  I wonder what he would have said had he lost.

I still say that the roof had much to do with the loss and he needs a bit of luck just as Nadal says he does.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #95 on: July 10, 2012, 10:55 AM »
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Inspired by Andy's personality and performance over years (although from Germany) and having followed this supportive forum for a while,  we feel the time is now to share our views and passion for  tennis with you. Obviously, we are aware we will never be on the safe side with Andy, however there is nothing more exciting for us than a ride on good old Murray roller coaster. As Sunday evening left all fans heart-broken, it was really encouraging to read all the positive posts, which no other community could have managed. Thank you to all who made those moments easier to bear.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #96 on: July 10, 2012, 11:51 AM »
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Now, I’ve never blamed the roof to be the sole cause for Andy’s loss but it made a difference. Murray himself is a good indoor player but that wasn’t the problem. The problem was, he couldn’t adjust the change and got distracted which initiated his loss of concentration. This was his first time Wimbledon final (even Nadal had to play Federer twice at Wimbledon before he could claim a win over him) and the expectations went through the roof just before the final, so he needed to stay focused and single minded, so the change early in the 3rd set definitely played a significant part on Murray’s game. Wasn’t Federer’s fault but did get lucky as a result given the experience he already had playing in CC finals a number of times. When he beat Sampras in their first time meeting on grass back in 2001, despite winning that match, he didn’t win the tournament, but playing in one of the earlier rounds at Wimbledon against Pete definitely opened up the door for him to beat him. Had he met with Sampras in the final instead, I am sure Sampras would have seen a straight set victory over Federer.
 
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I agree and to be honest most of the pundits were saying the same before the match, ie if it was to go indoors Roger became the strong favourite. Had it not it might have gone to 5 in Andy's favour. If only he had not let Roger back into the match to steal that 2nd set.
This is clearly what lendl can & must focus on..to make Andy a better frontrunner and make him more willing and able to go after the smell of blood and deliver the killer ko.
Still what was so cool about his performance in the final was that for once, he didn't wilt & fold like a cheap suit as he had done every other time he got to a final. Next time he should be even more free as there was still a bit of a choke going on. But really the way he came out of the starting block was most impressive. Andy is always improving and under Lendl's steady rock like guidance it should all click together very soon, mentally speaking.
Andy has improved the most because there is more room to improve, the others have less room and that is an exciting notion.
One other thing, the negative body language came back again under the roof, i think this will take a long time to eradicate as old habits die hard but it has been much rarer at least.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #97 on: July 10, 2012, 11:54 AM »
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Inspired by Andy's personality and performance over years (although from Germany) and having followed this supportive forum for a while,  we feel the time is now to share our views and passion for  tennis with you. Obviously, we are aware we will never be on the safe side with Andy, however there is nothing more exciting for us than a ride on good old Murray roller coaster. As Sunday evening left all fans heart-broken, it was really encouraging to read all the positive posts, which no other community could have managed. Thank you to all who made those moments easier to bear.

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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #98 on: July 10, 2012, 12:50 PM »
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Also my opinion of Federer has gone up (well, temporarily).  From the pics John posted, and from what Fed himself has said, I believe his reactions have been genuine.  In fact in one report I read, when he praised Andy, he actually said "This is genuine".   Maybe he realises what a creep he's been in the past! 

Respect to Federer for not rubbing Andy's nose in it. His celebrations were classy.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #99 on: July 10, 2012, 01:43 PM »
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Federer is a class act. 

During the Barclay ATP world finals at the O2 in 2010, Federer stated publically that he now knew how to play Andy and he subsequently hasn't
hasnt lost to Andy since .

What did he find out that others haven't do you think?
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #100 on: July 10, 2012, 02:32 PM »
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Federer is a class act. 

During the Barclay ATP world finals at the O2 in 2010, Federer stated publically that he now knew how to play Andy and he subsequently hasn't
hasnt lost to Andy since .

What did he find out that others haven't do you think?

If you take 2010, then they are at 2 all. Didn't get a chance to play each other in 2011 but we all know Andy was in terrific shape last year. As to 2012, Federer indeed leads 2-0 but I don't think Andy was too keen on winning Dubai as he seemed pretty much done after he beat Nole in the semi. Wimbledon final is a bit unfortunate as Federer definitely looked shaky and clueless in the first two sets, but once they closed the roof, Federer was able to serve a lot better which allowed him to attack Andy's 2nd serve. He himself admitted it. Andy by then already became a bit vulnerable unable to adjust the change and sub consciously let the pressure creeped in slowly but steadily. Even though Federer won the title, the match itself was divided to two sets each because Andy pretty much dominated the first two coming very close to winning it; Federer, on the other hand, dominated 3rd and 4th set. Slight edge to Federer right now but this won't be the case going forward.

BTW, Federer is only a class act if he wins.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #101 on: July 10, 2012, 02:38 PM »
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Respect to Federer for not rubbing Andy's nose in it. His celebrations were classy.

Or you can say, he didn't have a choice. He knew he was standing in front of thousands and thousands of broken hearts and he knew he was the one who broke it - not just once but three times. He needed to remain classy. Nole, Nadal or any other player would have been the same way given where it all took place and how big an event this was for this nation. You would have to be really stupid if you were to act any other way.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #102 on: July 10, 2012, 02:43 PM »
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Federer is a class act.  

During the Barclay ATP world finals at the O2 in 2010, Federer stated publically that he now knew how to play Andy and he subsequently hasn't
hasnt lost to Andy since .

What did he find out that others haven't do you think?

Andy imploded at the 02 as he had just beaten Fed twice before and was seen as the favourite. Federer himself was "shocked" by his performance.
Forget Dubai Murray was early in his training with Lendl and the BH was affected. Simple as.
What does Roger have to do to beat Andy? Very simple, play in perfect conditions for him under a roof and end up playing some of his best attacking tennis ever.
And then he has a good chance.
And that is what i think.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #103 on: July 10, 2012, 03:07 PM »
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Or you can say, he didn't have a choice. He knew he was standing in front of thousands and thousands of broken hearts and he knew he was the one who broke it - not just once but three times. He needed to remain classy. Nole, Nadal or any other player would have been the same way given where it all took place and how big an event this was for this nation. You would have to be really stupid if you were to act any other way.

I'm with you Emma Jean.    Fed is much too savvy to behave any other way.    I got the impression the smile was a bit forced when Andy was speaking, and he was
looking very disgruntled during the early part of the match.   A friend told me yesterday she doesn't like Andy because he never smiles.     When I asked her to say how often Fed had smiled during the match she couldn't say and she hadn't really noticed how put out he looked until he got on top.    His image prevails.    I don't trust him one little bit.
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Re: Murray vanquished by history « Reply #104 on: July 10, 2012, 04:55 PM »
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eWell it has been quite an emotional couple of days eh?  Somehow, I have a much better feeling about this loss than the previous two AO losses.  Andy was matching Fed for definitely the first set and for a large part of the second set, he got in his head and rattled him.  He was bossing the points and dictating the baseline rallies which was just so good to see.  I think the culmination of two long hard weeks both physically and mentally began to catch up with him in sets 3 & 4, but still he kept fighting, kept trying – which was very good to see.    Andy had by far the toughest draw of all the top four players – when they played the “route to the finals” before the match on Sunday – Fed was extremely lucky.  Also playing outside before the roof closed, Fed was toiling in the heat and was trying to shorten the points at every opportunity, so who knows what might have happened if the roof had not closed.

But at the end of the day we can surmise till the end of time, but having given it a lot of thought, there were many positives to come from this final:-

1.   Much improved mental fortitude
2.   Much improved attitude
3.   Vastly improved forehand
4.   Consistency of serve
5.   Improvement in the second serve
6.   Very much improved support for Andy

So he may not have won the championship but he sure as heck won a lot of admiration and support.

I will always be an Andy Murray fan come hell or highwater, he is just one heck of a decent bloke, one heck of an almighty talented player, he is kind, caring, humble and an all round lovely young man.  Now Federer can stand on as many podiums with his haul of slams as he want but I still could never support the man, he is egotistical, arrogant and smug and also he has had his day in the sun, his fans can build it up any way they want but he will not survive at the top for much longer.

Andy Murray your time is here and never will there be a more deserving slam winner – he rally is a champion in my eyes.
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