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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #90 on: October 21, 2012, 06:15 PM »
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Barely anyone's even noticed. Most people in the UK will just see he's withdrawn and think nothing else of it. It's only us who are really paying any attention.

Seems to be the case!

There's a new post on Andy's facebook today -  the CNN video that ScotJules posted on the videos thread. No mention of Basel
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #91 on: October 21, 2012, 06:23 PM »
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Don't see why all the fuss.

So people would rather Andy saved himself for Basel and then flame out at WTF? Not sure why he has let people down either to save potential damage to his back. He's won a slam and OG, surely he deserves a bit more rest.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #92 on: October 21, 2012, 06:23 PM »
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I doubt Andy gives a monkeys whether Basel want him next year or not. He has'nt competed on this tourno for some time. Its only an ATP500.. of which there are many others on the tour that are an alternative. They , the organisers, are probably more pissed by the fact there is little to excite the fans and the media about a tourno that Fed wins almost every year.

Of course the flip side is that Andy should just say up front that playing there is very low in his priorities...which it clearly is.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #93 on: October 21, 2012, 06:42 PM »
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Of course the flip side is that Andy should just say up front that playing there is very low in his priorities...which it clearly is.
I think Andy gave us a big clue as to his intentions when he kept reiterating during the Asian swing that the WTF was his main priority.  In other words stuff Basel and possibly Paris.  He won't want to go into the WTF a bit match-rusty but I'm not expecting scintillating performances from him in Paris.  If he has a fairly easy 1st match and gets to the QF in order to defend his ranking points, that would be great.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #94 on: October 21, 2012, 06:56 PM »
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I think Andy has even bigger fishes to fry.

I am guessing his main goals for end of this year are
1. Try to win WTF
2. Earn as many ranking points as possible at Paris to prepare for the #1 push next year
3. Be in good physical condition for the first big training sessions with Ivan at the end of this year for more GS glories in 2013

This is an exciting time for Andy because this year there is a 7 weeks break so Andy can get a decent rest and train for at least a full month with Lendl. Look at what Andy has achieved with Lendl with only 1 ten days serious block of training prior to Dubai in Feb.

I am guessing that next year, we will witness more of Andy silky volleying skills and even more agressive ground strokes and intelligent serve placements.

I think Andy is extremely wise to allow the loss of a mere 500 points to rest his body and aching back this week in his hunt for greater glories in the near future.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #95 on: October 21, 2012, 07:30 PM »
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I think Andy gave us a big clue as to his intentions when he kept reiterating during the Asian swing that the WTF was his main priority.  In other words stuff Basel and possibly Paris.  He won't want to go into the WTF a bit match-rusty but I'm not expecting scintillating performances from him in Paris.  If he has a fairly easy 1st match and gets to the QF in order to defend his ranking points, that would be great.


Yep...all the masters events are good tour events... but the WTF has evolved into a comp that sits somewhere between a masters and a slam...and so if not winning the Paris masters means he has simply got the match practise in that he needs to challenge for the WTF Title....as a fan ..I'd take that.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #96 on: October 21, 2012, 07:50 PM »
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I don't think not playing Basel is such a big deal, apart from annoying the fans - but let's face it it's a Fedfest anyhow. I'll bet the Fedster is well pleased Andy's withdrawn, though.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #97 on: October 21, 2012, 08:00 PM »
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Paris has played pretty quick in recent years (2010 was ridiculously quick) so I would imagine Andy wanted more time to prepare for the surface. I think getting to at least SF would be preparation enough for WTF.

Winning WTF would just cap off an incredible last 6 months of the season.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #98 on: October 22, 2012, 12:39 AM »
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Yep...all the masters events are good tour events... but the WTF has evolved into a comp that sits somewhere between a masters and a slam...and so if not winning the Paris masters means he has simply got the match practise in that he needs to challenge for the WTF Title....as a fan ..I'd take that.
I could have got it wrong knowing how much Andy hates losing, but I just have a feeling that if his back is still a bit dodgy he won't push himself to the limit in Paris if he wants to be as fit as possible for the WTF and achieve his goal of winning it.  Hopefully the other players will have tired themselves out a bit by then, apart, that is, for Djokovic who has sensibly chosen to skip the minor tournaments.  Also I see from today's ranking figures that he's 4,280 points ahead of Andy and only 195 behind Federer, so nothing for him to worry about there, but Andy's going to have his work cut out next year if he's to have a sniff even at the No.2 ranking.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #99 on: October 22, 2012, 08:19 AM »
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I could have got it wrong knowing how much Andy hates losing, but I just have a feeling that if his back is still a bit dodgy he won't push himself to the limit in Paris if he wants to be as fit as possible for the WTF and achieve his goal of winning it.  Hopefully the other players will have tired themselves out a bit by then, apart, that is, for Djokovic who has sensibly chosen to skip the minor tournaments.  Also I see from today's ranking figures that he's 4,280 points ahead of Andy and only 195 behind Federer, so nothing for him to worry about there, but Andy's going to have his work cut out next year if he's to have a sniff even at the No.2 ranking.
I don't agree with you Aileen re #2 ranking as Nole has a lot of points to defend next year and Andy has far less as he only won Brisbane up to the Olympics, and he is going for the Slams and the majors.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #100 on: October 22, 2012, 12:04 PM »
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Why have his fans been misled and let down?  O.K. so maybe you're disappointed at not being able to watch him this week - tough - players withdraw all the time - get over it.  As far as I can see nobody else is particularly interested in Andy's withdrawal from Basel.  The majority of his vociferous critics don't even know that tournaments take place outside the Majors but then who needs them when Andy's fans make enough song and dance for everyone else?!

Hi Alis and all,

I could not agree more. Great post.  clap

Look, I'd love to see Andy play this week. I'm not well and watching him wallop Federer in his own backyard would have made me insanely happy, but it wasn't to be. Andy has made a decision to pull out of what is really a relatively minor tournament at this point in the year, given that it falls between two Masters tournaments, one of which preceeds the world tour finals. It seems perfectly clear to me that given how congested this year has been, and how busy the end of the year is, something had to go, and it has to better that it is Basel than Paris, or that Andy risks playing in both and then completely blows out in the WTF.

As I said yesterday, I really don't care who Andy has told, if he has told anyone, or if he has apologised to the tournament. People pull out of tournaments every week, it's not a big deal. From the quotes I've read the tournament seems pretty chilled about Andy's situation, so I can't understand why we aren't.

As for any potential PR disaster, please, do me a favour. No one outside of those of us who watch tennis week in and week out knows there are tournaments going on at the moment. The wider public thinks there are four tournaments a year, the majors. It's as simple as that. All people in Britain know about Andy at the moment is that he won the gold at the Olympics and then he won the US Open, which isn't Wimbledon. I kid you not. They will neither know or care that he pulled out of Basel. Indeed, ask the majority of British where Basel is and they will look blankly at you. Mention that the Basel tournament is an ATP 500 and those blank expressions won't even flicker. In Britain it's either a major or its not.

As an Andy fan I don't feel let down by him, not in the least. I think he has made a mature and wise decision. Go back to after the Olympics, when Andy took himself off to play in two compulsory tournaments, Toronto and Cincy, right off the back of winning that gold medal. Some of us said then that he should have pulled out of one, or maybe both of them, and that he was stupid not to. But Andy played, had to pull out of Toronto, and then went out to Chardy in Cincy, in a match where it was clear to anyone with half a brain that Andy was knackered and had nothing left to give, at least not without risking his chances in the USO. We all know what happened in the USO. My feeling is that maybe Andy learned from what happened after the Olympics. Maybe he learned that he has to be wise about when he plays. Maybe he has learned that he has to listen to what his body is telling him when it needs a rest.

What I suspect is happening here is that some are concerned about Andy's back, because he isn't saying what the problem is. My own feeling is that saying nothing is all right. If Andy felt the need to make some sort of statement about it I would worry. It would suggest something serious is going on. As it is, we don't know what the issue is. We only know what we think it could be. I'm sure some think Andy will be criticised for not stating what the problem is, and I get that. Then again, if he talked about it that would be wrong in some eyes as well. Either way Andy can't win. My own feeling is that saying nothing is better than the mixed signals Rafa's camp is sending out about his problems. As for Andy, it seems to me as if he is merely resting his back in order to be ready for Paris and the WTF. Nothing wrong with that.

As for next year and where Andy might be heading for in the rankings, how about we get this year out of the way before we start stressing over next year? If Andy is going to struggle to reach no.2 next year it suggests he won't do anything in the majors, which I seriously doubt. I would not be surprised at all to see Andy win another major or two next year, even if Rafa comes back. I would also not be surprised to see Andy add to his Masters titles next year. However, we'll see. There are still points to be had and matches to win this year yet.



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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #101 on: October 22, 2012, 12:27 PM »
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I am a big fan of conspiracy theories, i look for them everywhere and i see one here Smile

Conspiracy theory
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Andy is not injured at all, considering there has been no official statement from Andy himself apart from "citing a back injury" according to reports in papers.

Why did he pull out? He is either managing his end of year schedule properly due to the fact that he signed for this event last year and after his amazing summer saw this 3 tournmant pile up and thought to hell with that, i don't have any points to defend in the first one so stuff it.

Or... he wanted to annoy Federer even further by withdrawing again - more mind games for the end of the year WTF. Why would he sign for this exhibition tournament in Miami after the WTF if he was worried about an injury?

Or... the directors at Basel secretly asked him to withdraw, or maybe the ATP themselves did as A) they see him as too much of a threat to their main man Federer not winning his hometown event, something which may be more unlikely now as Fed gets older and older or B) they want Fed to defend his points to make the WTF more interesting in the race to number 1.

This conspiracy theory was brought to you by the paranoid Gnome  wtf Shrug

All just messing about of course, the bottom line is, apart from missing out on seeing Andy play this week, who the hell cares about Basel with no points to defend and only 3 watchable players on show now that Andy has pulled out, Paris is next week.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #102 on: October 22, 2012, 12:39 PM »
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I respect Andy for keeping his own counsel.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #103 on: October 22, 2012, 01:20 PM »
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Teejay1 and Gnome - totally agree. I think we forget on here, sometimes that very few of us know the man personally? I have never even seen him in the flesh. Following him and supporting him is great - personally it's given me a new interest in my ill health retirement. I don't think he owes any of us anything.
Whatever he does from here on is fine by me. I don't watch him for the GS performances. I watch him for those matches when he goes out on the court and is unplayable. The last two Fed matches, and Raonic at the US Open being cases in points. The Olympic Final brought me great joy, partly because it was unexpected in a way, but mainly because of the joy on his face when he did it. I like to see people getting their just deserts. That match did it for both Murray and Fed.
I will continue to watch him and enjoy him regardless of how many trophies he lifts.
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Re: Murray withdraws from Basel « Reply #104 on: October 22, 2012, 01:57 PM »
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I hate conspiracy theories; but a player withdrawing with a fake injury isn't really a conspiracy - it's common practice in sport.
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