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Posted on: April 23, 2012, 03:57 PM
Posted by: blueberryhill
AFT: Power to the people  yay
Posted on: April 23, 2012, 01:03 PM
Posted by: AFT
Thinking of changing my avatar...have v. nice pic of Leigh Halfpenny  Whistle
Yes we have very 'lovely' Rugby lads and I am 'lovely' Welsh rugby and tennis woman fan wub but can you imagine the stick any tennis wonder would have from the English press who can barely mention Wales in there write ups of any sport in their columns and then they are Brits of course. I remember Andy taking part in our local Langland Bay tennis tournament as a youngster and winning. His mother has not forgotten and was here recently to open our tennis centre again after being axed by the council. Local people banded together to finance and run it as a private business. That's what our council thinks tennis is worth to us as tax payers.
Posted on: April 23, 2012, 11:19 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
:w00t:Andy has had so much stick for being a Scot which seems to upset the tradition of middle class England but he has to be grateful that he is not Welsh !! Just imagine w00t
Thinking of changing my avatar...have v. nice pic of Leigh Halfpenny  Whistle
Posted on: April 23, 2012, 11:06 AM
Posted by: AFT
 w00t
I also think Andy's speech has improved of late.  Maybe it's down to maturity and more self-assurance, but his voice has lost the monotonous quality it used to have (something he admitted himself, btw!) - and he's stopped saying "you know" after every few words, which is also a sign of a more confident speaker.
I agree.  Fed just loves the sound of his own voice ... and, remind me, what languages does he speak fluently in addition to his native Swiss-German?  Oh yes - German (there is a difference), English and French, plus a good smattering of Spanish, Swedish and Italian with a little Mandarin Chinese thrown in - all of which he'll air at any opportunity - but then he's wised-up to the fact that it's a crowd-pleaser when spectators hear even just a few phrases in their own tongue when the winners/runners-up make speeches at presentation ceremonies.
Andy has had so much stick for being a Scot which seems to upset the tradition of middle class England but he has to be grateful that he is not Welsh !! Just imagine w00t
Posted on: April 22, 2012, 12:50 PM
Posted by: Aileen
I hear you AFT..but Andy has (and still is) learning to play the other "game."
The guy has sponsors and gawd only know who or what else he has to commit to, and I do think he's getting progressively better at handling the media.
That's why I love the old videos and stories..because to me, that's the authentic 'Andy.'
If it was only about his tennis, I'm sure life would be so much easier for him, eh?


I also think Andy's speech has improved of late.  Maybe it's down to maturity and more self-assurance, but his voice has lost the monotonous quality it used to have (something he admitted himself, btw!) - and he's stopped saying "you know" after every few words, which is also a sign of a more confident speaker.

AFT:- You could sate the same about all the top 4 players. Personally I think the most sugar sweet butter would'nt melt in my mouth is Federer. I think the man is a total fraud, but hey his sponsors love him. Andy is straight forward I prefer him to sugary Mr Smug at least he is genuine.
I agree.  Fed just loves the sound of his own voice ... and, remind me, what languages does he speak fluently in addition to his native Swiss-German?  Oh yes - German (there is a difference), English and French, plus a good smattering of Spanish, Swedish and Italian with a little Mandarin Chinese thrown in - all of which he'll air at any opportunity - but then he's wised-up to the fact that it's a crowd-pleaser when spectators hear even just a few phrases in their own tongue when the winners/runners-up make speeches at presentation ceremonies.
Posted on: April 22, 2012, 12:01 PM
Posted by: Littlebuddha
AFT:- You could sate the same about all the top 4 players. Personally I think the most sugar sweet butter would'nt melt in my mouth is Federer. I think the man is a total fraud, but hey his sponsors love him. Andy is straight forward I prefer him to sugary Mr Smug at least he is genuine.
Posted on: April 22, 2012, 02:27 AM
Posted by: scotnadian
When you realise how many interviews players have to give after each match you know it 's easier to be 'nice' and say the things fans want to hear. ...Nice and charming is all part of the media and promotions game. Andy finds it difficult to act a part he is not and I admire him for being himself. Do we want everyone to be the same?.... Let them be who they are and stop judging them by their off court interviews -they mean nothing. It is what they bring to the match that matters.

I hear you AFT..but Andy has (and still is) learning to play the other "game."
The guy has sponsors and gawd only know who or what else he has to commit to, and I do think he's getting progressively better at handling the media.
That's why I love the old videos and stories..because to me, that's the authentic 'Andy.'
If it was only about his tennis, I'm sure life would be so much easier for him, eh?

Posted on: April 22, 2012, 01:56 AM
Posted by: AFT
Yes I would like the players to say look I am shattered I don't want to speak you thanks until I have won the masters, slam etc and then I will say a few words. 
Posted on: April 22, 2012, 01:52 AM
Posted by: Aileen
When you realise how many interviews players have to give after each match you know it 's easier to be 'nice' and say the things fans want to hear. I don't know that Nadal etc are any more sincere than others, they have just learned to play the fans. The snarl of Rafa is hardly the face of a charming fella and it goes without saying he means war when he faces an opponent. I don't buy all this nicy nicy for the audience. Nice and charming is all part of the media and promotions game. Andy finds it difficult to act a part he is not and I admire him for being himself. Do we want everyone to be the same? Borg was hardly able to talk. Fed was obnoxious until he made it big and now is too nice to be true. Let them be who they are and stop judging them by their off court interviews -they mean nothing. It is what they bring to the match that matters. confused
I agree there's a strong element of that, but would you really prefer players to say exactly what they think in post-match interviews?  However, as far as I can gather from what you're saying you'd be quite happy to see the end of such interviews, and I must admit so would I.  I mean no disrespect to Andy, but I rarely listen to recordings of his now because they've become so predictable, which is hardly surprising given that it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to come up with something fresh each time he's faced with the equally predictable questions from the media.  
Posted on: April 22, 2012, 01:43 AM
Posted by: AFT
Anyway I am tired of all the protective shield some of the ladies are throwing around Andy. I don't want him as a grandson, I don't want him to be falsely humble and sincere, I don't know what his morals or attitudes to life are and I don't really care. I just want him to go out and beat the hell out of all and sundry whatever their creed is. Is this too much to ask of a Brit or are we just going to wallow in our idea of a picture, books,interviews etc paint him as? I like him his quirky attitude and his abilities and his game when he is on form so perhaps that's what we should all do and forget GS's. He is the best we have so let's just appreciate that. offtopic
Posted on: April 22, 2012, 01:23 AM
Posted by: AFT
I can think of a few foreign players whose native tongue isn't English but who manage to express themselves very well in a humble and sincere manner - Djokovic, Nadal, Ferrer, Tsonga and Del Potro springing immediately to mind.
When you realise how many interviews players have to give after each match you know it 's easier to be 'nice' and say the things fans want to hear. I don't know that Nadal etc are any more sincere than others, they have just learned to play the fans. The snarl of Rafa is hardly the face of a charming fella and it goes without saying he means war when he faces an opponent. I don't buy all this nicy nicy for the audience. Nice and charming is all part of the media and promotions game. Andy finds it difficult to act a part he is not and I admire him for being himself. Do we want everyone to be the same? Borg was hardly able to talk. Fed was obnoxious until he made it big and now is too nice to be true. Let them be who they are and stop judging them by their off court interviews -they mean nothing. It is what they bring to the match that matters. confused
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 10:04 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Perhaps we are all being a bit too personal here when players say the things they do, we have to allow that some players are speaking English as a foreign language and they are not always as gushing as Americans or as dour as Brits. It is the tennis that counts and results in the end not presenters or soundbites. God forbid that Andy could be considered in the term class andy would give a wry smile at that comment as he was always being spoken of as arrogant before he learned to handle the press. Nuff said we don't know any of them personally.
I can think of a few foreign players whose native tongue isn't English but who manage to express themselves very well in a humble and sincere manner - Djokovic, Nadal, Ferrer, Tsonga and Del Potro springing immediately to mind.
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 07:57 PM
Posted by: Iris
^Couldn't have put it better myself Janscribe!
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 07:48 PM
Posted by: janscribe
Perhaps we are all being a bit too personal here when players say the things they do, we have to allow that some players are speaking English as a foreign language and they are not always as gushing as Americans or as dour as Brits. It is the tennis that counts and results in the end not presenters or soundbites. God forbid that Andy could be considered in the term class andy would give a wry smile at that comment as he was always being spoken of as arrogant before he learned to handle the press. Nuff said we don't know any of them personally.
Well said, we don't know them and their language difference makes it harder. From what I've learned of Andy through books, i/vs etc he's a thoroughly decent  guy, a young man I would be proud to have as a grandson with all the right morals and attitudes. That says it all really and as a lovley Scotts laddie I support him, G S or not and wish himthe very best.
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 07:36 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I note that Nole was complaining about the court surface to the umpire today also.
And compare and contrast Andy's tweet about defeat to TB and TB's arrogant statement.  I wonder if Andy had won whether TB would have been as generous about him?  That said, he did acknowledge his DC matches on clay had helped him.  As Paul Newman pointed out in Indie, TB had played 11 sets on clay in previous fortnight whereas Andy had played fewer than 3. And given TB says he was born to play on clay and Andy clearly finds it his most difficult surface, and given TB pushed Nole pretty hard for some of the match at least, I do think the intense negativity expressed by a few people on MW including in the match report really is not warranted.  I know I've said that already but just producing more evidence in defence  Whistle

ps I take your point AFT about non-English speakers having to give interviews in English but he has shown his arrogance on court as well like when he put his finger to his mouth in front of a Spanish crowd when he was playing Rafa some years ago and then when he refused to shake hands with Almagro more recently after the latter hit him with the ball but apologised profusely.
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 07:30 PM
Posted by: AFT
Berd Brain could learn a thing or two from Andy   about class      "My advantage is that I can play on everything  and that's it"  WTF.   That's just so arrogant.  No wonder hardly anyone likes him.  When was the last time he actually reached a semi final in a GS.. how many GS finals has he been in? how many titles has he actually won? He's too far up his a*se to play down his chances and actually make a non arrogant comment.   He's taking over SmugFed's job  as the Humble King.   Watch out SmugFed  we have a new kid on the block coming to steal your  Smug Role.   
Perhaps we are all being a bit too personal here when players say the things they do, we have to allow that some players are speaking English as a foreign language and they are not always as gushing as Americans or as dour as Brits. It is the tennis that counts and results in the end not presenters or soundbites. God forbid that Andy could be considered in the term class andy would give a wry smile at that comment as he was always being spoken of as arrogant before he learned to handle the press. Nuff said we don't know any of them personally.
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 07:13 PM
Posted by: janscribe
So the world number 4 lost to the world number 6 in just under three hours on a surface that he openly admits is his weakest and one he is still learning on!  This quarter-final was always going to be tough and Berdych, as usual against Andy, produced his best tennis.  It remains to be seen if he can find the same high quality level against Djokovic today but if he does the world number one will have his work cut out, big time.

After Berdych's dismissal of Andy's genuine concern over the condition of the surface after the match we can only hope that none of the remaining competitors suffer a serious injury in the last two days of this tournament.   Andy was court-side when Monaco rolled his ankle badly and he was clearly upset when Bennetteu was sent crashing down.  Sickening and distressing accidents befalling very experienced clay-court players should not be swept aside and once again Andy and Nadal have had the guts to speak out, shaming the other players and organisers. 

Andy will be glad to see the back of Monte Carlo, with all its glamour and beauty there are clearly issues that need to be addressed.  It was obvious that Andy was inhibited in his movement and who can blame him - that court is a potential death trap. 

Oh, and what a joke the scheduling was!  Sky showed Andy arriving with a box of Oatibix cereal for his breakfast-time match, the stand-out most competitive tussle of the four quarter-finals, the quality of tennis in the other three matches slumping downhill all the way as the day wore on.  Ridiculous. 

As for Annabel Croft, she really is very negative indeed about Andy.  I should say MURRAY, as she seems to have a problem using his first name.  We all know that she is a fully paid up member of the Roger Federer appreciation society but she should be a tad more professional and at least be consistent.  At one point yesterday she was talking about 'Murray' and 'Tomas' and was gushing at the thought of 'Tomas' taking 'Murray's' position in the top four.   Here's hoping Sky bring back Marcus as Ms Croft appears to be less than enthusiastic in her appreciation of Great Britain's best player for the last seventy-odd years and one who is helping keep her in her highly paid job. 
Just read your post Clementine and you have expressed my thoughts re Annabel throughout this week - your post was great and today Rafa was complaining about the state of the court. I was very glad that no injury occured him or Simon during their enjoyable match. Novak and Nadal tomorow will I am sure be an exciting match but I am almost glad Andy is out of it with the risks the court here at MC seems to entail. 
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 06:07 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
Andy is of course altogether on a different level than Berdych but that's not the point Berdych was making. For a tall guy like him (6'5"), he's quite comfortable on any surface and that's indeed his advantage. He has titles on all surfaces and that's makes him a complete player and if he goes on to sneak in a Slam in the future by any chance, I won't be too surprised, as I feel he's perfectly capable of winning one; however, not many. Because Andy hasn't quite taken himself to that level to those of Federer, Novak and Nadal, and because he has the tendency to lose to lesser ranked players a bit more than the top guys, the other players do fancy their chances against him. It's up to Andy to take himself to a level where players would be more intimidated by him and won't be too keen on pointing out what truly gives them the advantage, though again, I still don't see anything wrong with it either.

And Andy is in a very unique situation so it doesn't apply to him at all what other players who are ahead and behind him do or think. Andy’s overall results will always be different than theirs. In other words, the comparison is not a fair one and certainly not based on the circumstances we have in hand. Andy has a very different priority and so his results overall will be inconsistent compared to both group of players. I wish people would be a bit more thoughtful in their approach. Once you establish the fact that certain players can be arrogant at times, there’s no point talking about it five different times on five different places.  You have already made your point.
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 05:51 PM
Posted by: Littlebuddha
The one true quality Andy has is DETERMINATION a fine quality. He also has guts and does not give up. For that quality alone we should be thankful. We have almost a full year to go and I am sure he still has a lot of good matches coming up. Oh ye of little faith.
Posted on: April 21, 2012, 05:43 PM
Posted by: Littlebuddha
Well said MM. I agree Berdych is an arrogant man. I know he is not liked by many of the other players. I know  last year in  Spain he showed his arrogance and was soundly booed by the crowd.