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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #30 on: April 01, 2012, 11:33 PM »
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Who has won a semi and a final against the top 4 back to back recently? Djoko at the AO, but before that....?
I meant Andy..  when was the last time he won a title  which he beat 2 out of the top4 to win it?
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #31 on: April 01, 2012, 11:34 PM »
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Yet again in a final this year, the backhand was to blame for a lot of the errors.  Time and time again Andy's cross court backhand flew beyond Djokovic's baseline.  At critical moments in the match on second serve returns like this kept happening. 

This year, it has been better than the last 2 in February and March but there is no title to show for it.   In the last 2 months Federer has gained more points than Murray when most of us thought that the gap in the rankings would come down. 
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #32 on: April 01, 2012, 11:40 PM »
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The only time Murray has won a semi and final against Federer, Nadal or Djokovic was in Toronto 2010. Nadal in the semi in straight sets and 7-5, 7-5 against Federer in the final.

The time before the AO was when Djokovic beat Federer then Nadal in the 2011 USO.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #33 on: April 01, 2012, 11:42 PM »
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I meant Andy..  when was the last time he won a title  which he beat 2 out of the top4 to win it?
I realised that John - but was just thinking it's not an easy thing to do. Geo has answered our questions - thanks!
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #34 on: April 01, 2012, 11:48 PM »
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adb..OH -

No doubt, it is harder than it looks, a LOT harder.  By way of agreeing with you further, from my vantage point, the CBS broadcast only contained footage from the top of the stadium.  The occasional shots seen from The Tennis Channel earlier this week which were lower to the court and just over the players shoulders clearly demonstrated more curvature of the ball arc, in both vertical and horizontal travels, was not shown today.

But, I seek to point Andy towards an area where he can make a tactical improvement.  Returns off of second serves were directed toward the middle of the court and straight at Novak.  By not varying angle and body positioning permitted Novak to settle into rallies from the baseline which is his area of comfort.
wave Welcome to MW - and thanks for your very interesting posts. Smile

Such a different match from the Dubai semi final between Andy and Nole ..I'm sorry but Andy didn't play that well through out the whole tournament of Miami.. he was a real fighter but his game was all over the place in some of his matches his serve was atrocious.  FH was awful.  too many UE's. Im really disappointed fan here... He didn't really give us anything to shout about apart from a couple of points.  He didn't know what to do out there  He was just hitting it back to Nole, going back to his old style of play It seems like ages since Andy last won something.  I miss that winning feeling ... so so much  I want that Tokyo and Asia Form back... where did that go?  When was the last time Andy won  a semi and final against the top 4 back to back..?
Yes, but the court in Dubai was faster and also Andy hadn't had a three-day break between matches, something that I think was a big factor here.  And if you want to talk about UEs, you should have watched the 2nd set of the Djokovic/Monaco match where Djoko's UEs were piling up so fast even the comms were a bit surprised.  He was damned lucky to scrape through that on a tie-break.



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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #35 on: April 01, 2012, 11:50 PM »
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The only time Murray has won a semi and final against Federer, Nadal or Djokovic was in Toronto 2010. Nadal in the semi in straight sets and 7-5, 7-5 against Federer in the final.

The time before the AO was when Djokovic beat Federer then Nadal in the 2011 USO.
thanks for that... 2010  shocking    wow... that was a long time ago     not sure what the differences are between 2010 Murray and 2012 Murray?  Think  I think 2012 Murray is a lot better...  but I don't understand  why he can't do it again  confused  I know its difficult because his rivals are such great players  but if he can do it in 2010 then he can do it in 2012... surely?
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #36 on: April 01, 2012, 11:52 PM »
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wave Welcome to MW - and thanks for your very interesting posts. Smile
Yes, but the court in Dubai was faster and also Andy hadn't had a three-day break between matches, something that I think was a big factor here.  And if you want to talk about UEs, you should have watched the 2nd set of the Djokovic/Monaco match where Djoko's UEs were piling up so fast even the comms were a bit surprised.  He was damned lucky to scrape through that on a tie-break.




oh I only watch Andy's matches Smile 
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #37 on: April 01, 2012, 11:56 PM »
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Today his return game was horrible with lots of chances wasted and his serve was pretty poor.

Deserved to lose but at least he fought which is the most important thing as the rest of his game was rather awful but he hung around.

Those days off fecked up his timing on the backhand resulting in all those errors.

Really weird tournament but these things happen.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #38 on: April 02, 2012, 12:11 AM »
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oh I only watch Andy's matches Smile 
You should try and watch other players sometimes.  You might get a surprise.  Andy isn't the only one who has off-days - and that includes the top three!
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #39 on: April 02, 2012, 12:19 AM »
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thanks for that... 2010  shocking    wow... that was a long time ago     not sure what the differences are between 2010 Murray and 2012 Murray?  Think  I think 2012 Murray is a lot better...  but I don't understand  why he can't do it again  confused  I know its difficult because his rivals are such great players  but if he can do it in 2010 then he can do it in 2012... surely?
The fact is, it is Andy Murray we are talking about.  You never know what type of performance he will come up with.  Doesn't matter if it is June 2005 or April 2012 the inconsistincy has been there throught.  That is why he has never won a Slam.  Beat Nadal but then lost to Federer twice in finals or he has lost to Nadal several times in the semi. His record in Masters 1000 finals has been good though.  The only other time he lost one was to Nadal in IW 09 after he beat Federer in the semi.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #40 on: April 02, 2012, 12:21 AM »
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Djoko played brilliantly but Andy was most definitely ring rusty.  It was always highly unlikely that he would be at his best today.  With the disjointed week that it's been, I'm delighted that he has walked away with the runner-up points in the bag.  Time to put it behind him and move on - devil dirt here we come!
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #41 on: April 02, 2012, 12:22 AM »
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Djoko played brilliantly but Andy was most definitely ring rusty.  It was always highly unlikely that he would be at his best today.  With the disjointed week that it's been, I'm delighted that he has walked away with the runner-up points in the bag.  Time to put it behind him and move on - devil dirt here we come!
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #42 on: April 02, 2012, 12:25 AM »
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Anyone else wondering how this might have played had it been a best of five?  Could be a positive sign Little tongue man
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #43 on: April 02, 2012, 12:34 AM »
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Anyone else wondering how this might have played had it been a best of five?  Could be a positive sign Little tongue man

If it was against a lesser player than Djokovic then a comeback might have been on the cards but remember back to the AO Andy had a 2-1 lead and couldn't finish the match off so coming back from 2-0 down against Djokovic could well be impossible.       
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #44 on: April 02, 2012, 12:35 AM »
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If it was against a lesser player than Djokovic then a comeback might have been on the cards but remember back to the AO Andy had a 2-1 lead and couldn't finish the match off so coming back from 2-0 down against Djokovic could well be impossible.       

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