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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #45 on: April 02, 2012, 12:52 AM »
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Jb – Interesting observation in your 1st paragraph.

Jb & Nigel – Exactly! On his “not best” days it happens a lot, sometimes until almost all is lost. On those days I’m often saying, “Don’t send it where he is, send it where he isn’t”.  Or, he loses the caution or pleasantry, all hell brakes loose & he wins!  Then again, some days it’s all going to flow better than others, obviously. As many have said before, Andy is a natural nice guy & unfortunately he has to change his whole personality to being more aggressive to win.  Maybe if we call is assertive it will work.

I tend not to criticize very much, just emphasize the good stuff.  However, what the heck, though I sincerely hate to see the over the top criticism & put downs, and I’ll say it again: Could any of us accomplish anything such as he has already!  Andy is, at top & bottom the genuine article, (its true Andy).
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #46 on: April 02, 2012, 12:59 AM »
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Jb – Interesting observation in your 1st paragraph.

Jb & Nigel – Exactly! On his “not best” days it happens a lot, sometimes until almost all is lost. On those days I’m often saying, “Don’t send it where he is, send it where he isn’t”.  Or, he loses the caution, all hell brakes loose & he wins!  Then again, some days it’s all going to flow better than others, obviously. As many have said before, Andy is a natural nice guy & unfortunately he has to change his whole personality to being more aggressive to win.  Maybe if we call is assertive it will work.

I tend not to criticize very much, just emphasize the good stuff.  However, what the heck, though I sincerely hate to see the over the top criticism & put downs, and I’ll say it again: Could any of us accomplish anything such as he has already!  Andy is, at top & bottom the genuine article, (its true Andy).

Oh dear - what happened to your two quotes!  They seem to have gone AWOL. lol

I agree 100% with your last para.  I'm proud of everything that Andy has achieved in such a short space of time.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #47 on: April 02, 2012, 01:07 AM »
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Oh dear - what happened to your two quotes!  They seem to have gone AWOL. lol
Actually I removed them rather than having them come up over & over, left the link to hopefully avoid confusion. :-)
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #48 on: April 02, 2012, 01:12 AM »
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Actually I removed them rather than having them come up over & over, left the link to hopefully avoid confusion. :-)
Should've known there was method in your madness! Smile
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #49 on: April 02, 2012, 01:49 AM »
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Such a different match from the Dubai semi final between Andy and Nole ..I'm sorry but Andy didn't play that well through out the whole tournament of Miami.. he was a real fighter but his game was all over the place in some of his matches his serve was atrocious.  FH was awful.  too many UE's. Im really disappointed fan here... He didn't really give us anything to shout about apart from a couple of points.  He didn't know what to do out there  He was just hitting it back to Nole, going back to his old style of play It seems like ages since Andy last won something.  I miss that winning feeling ... so so much  I want that Tokyo and Asia Form back... where did that go?  When was the last time Andy won  a semi and final against the top 4 back to back..?

I could be wrong but I'm sure that my comms said that more UE's off the backhand than forehand.  Not sure if that was the case at the end of the match but was part way through the 2nd set.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #50 on: April 02, 2012, 05:19 AM »
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We are all too harsh. Due to lack of match play Murray did not play well.  He will go away and start the clay season and i am sure he will do well. There is no way Nole will carry on like this all year. Please do not give up it is there.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #51 on: April 02, 2012, 07:37 AM »
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Andy was definitely "undercooked" and I agree with [email protected] and [email protected]
Andy's tennis brain went AWOL that match. He's not going to beat the top 3 from 3 feet behind the baseline slugging it out with Nole and Rafa because they do that much better than him. He needs to use his terrific variety and his brilliant net play. Alas not there yesterday.
I'm wondering, if when his serve goes to pot, his confidence plummets and he reverts to his old "safe" game?
Didn't think it was a good match. Too many UEs from both. Perhaps it was the dreadful conditions. Wonder why they play at the hottest time of the day. Doesn't make for good tennis and must be bad for the players.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #52 on: April 02, 2012, 08:10 AM »
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1st set embarrassing, the second disappointing, the april fool thing very clever but by the time the clay season starts I'll be back supporting and hoping for better things.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #53 on: April 02, 2012, 09:12 AM »
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I don't think we can read too much into this match - it's the equivalent of Andy meeting the #1 player in the 3rd round (but with a 3 day gap beforehand).  But I hope it will nevertheless provide plenty of material for Mr L to work on in terms of the clear mistakes Andy was making that even we could see.  Interesting what you said a few posts back Aileen about Mr L advising Andy not to go over defeats in mind - v good advice but doesn't mean they can't learn from them together.  What at least pleased me was that his head didn't go down after a 1-6 loss in 1st set.  As Paul Newman put it in Independent: 'Given that Murray lost the first set after D won 5 games in a row, the Scot's response in the 2nd was admirable'.
So while feel abit flat this morning here's hoping for a great clay court season.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #54 on: April 02, 2012, 09:55 AM »
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Thanks for all the posts, enjoyed reading them all. Andy did not play his best yesterday we all saw that, 3 days off sure did not help. Also I think Andy got a bit confused what game to play, you could see how unsure he was, he was playing with no confidence. Lendl is teaching him different methods and it still does not come naturally to him, it will take a bit of time. We just have to sit tight and go through this transition with Andy, it will come we just have to be patient and keep on supporting him, I know I will, he is my No 1 and always will be. So come on guys keep the faith!
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #55 on: April 02, 2012, 10:31 AM »
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Thanks for all the posts, enjoyed reading them all. Andy did not play his best yesterday we all saw that, 3 days off sure did not help. Also I think Andy got a bit confused what game to play, you could see how unsure he was, he was playing with no confidence. Lendl is teaching him different methods and it still does not come naturally to him, it will take a bit of time. We just have to sit tight and go through this transition with Andy, it will come we just have to be patient and keep on supporting him, I know I will, he is my No 1 and always will be. So come on guys keep the faith!

Yes I agree ChrisMac, I think at the moment Andy's probably in two minds about which tactics to use following his work with Lendl. Yesterday there seemed to be a blend between him being too passive and then too aggressive. He's yet to get the balance totally right (though he did in the AO and Dubai SFs) but in time he will get there. It may take many months though before he's totally comfortable with how he wants to play.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #56 on: April 02, 2012, 10:57 AM »
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Player interviews up now on Miami website. Andy says he wasn't returning well...

http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/News/Tennis/2012/Interview-Transcripts/Interview-Transcripts.aspx
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #57 on: April 02, 2012, 11:51 AM »
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Thanks Elena for the transcript link.  Given that his return is usually the best part of his game it must have undermined his confidence that he was doing it poorly.  And combine that with Chrismac's point, that he is still in transition + being 'undercooked' the outcome is hardly surprising.  I'm sure he and Mr L will be building on the positives and learning from the negatives.  Given what he says about needing to extend the points with Nole, perhaps not coming into the net is a deliberate tactic when playing Nole.  I'm afraid I'm not enough of an expert to know whether it's a good tactic or not but I do recall him saying this before and presumably it's a tactic which he discussed with Mr L.  That said as Chrismac said he didn't look to sure on court of his tactics and Peter Fleming was saying the same thing yesterday.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #58 on: April 02, 2012, 12:02 PM »
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Thanks Elena for the transcript link.  Given that his return is usually the best part of his game it must have undermined his confidence that he was doing it poorly.  And combine that with Chrismac's point, that he is still in transition + being 'undercooked' the outcome is hardly surprising.  I'm sure he and Mr L will be building on the positives and learning from the negatives.  Given what he says about needing to extend the points with Nole, perhaps not coming into the net is a deliberate tactic when playing Nole.  I'm afraid I'm not enough of an expert to know whether it's a good tactic or not but I do recall him saying this before and presumably it's a tactic which he discussed with Mr L.  That said as Chrismac said he didn't look to sure on court of his tactics and Peter Fleming was saying the same thing yesterday.

Yes, he tends to win the longer rallies. I firmly believe that that's because, by their very nature, at some point those longer rallies become more creative. That's when he's able to stretch Djokovic and end the point. Straight-up-and-down hitting vs the Djoker is always fatal.

Would add that fitness also becomes a factor in long rallies. Feel he has the edge here.
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Re: Undercooked Murray mastered in Miami heat « Reply #59 on: April 02, 2012, 12:12 PM »
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Yes, he tends to win the longer rallies. I firmly believe that that's because, by their very nature, at some point those longer rallies become more creative. That's when he's able to stretch Djokovic and end the point. Straight-up-and-down hitting vs the Djoker is always fatal.

Would add that fitness also become a factor in long rallies. Feel he has the edge here.

Yes creative tennis is definitely where Andy has the edge over Djokovic. Andy's slice always works well against him (Federer also does this effectively) -  it did yesterday too though he didn't use it very often. Djokovic loves to play at the same rhythm which is one of the reasons he's been so successful against Nadal recently. Disrupting his rhythm is definitely a good thing.
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