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Question: Who do you think should win?  (Voting closed: December 14, 2008, 07:29 PM)
Rebecca Adlington - 4 (20%)
Nicole Cooke - 0 (0%)
Chris Hoy - 10 (50%)
Bradley Wiggins - 0 (0%)
Rebecca Romero - 0 (0%)
Ben Ainslie - 1 (5%)
Christine Ohuruogu - 0 (0%)
Andy Murray - 3 (15%)
Lewis Hamilton - 2 (10%)
Joe Calzaghe - 0 (0%)
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BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008

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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #105 on: December 07, 2008, 10:33 PM »
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Fair enough but if you're going to go into numbers, it's actually 8 vs 3. Smile
(14 may be his total but I'm not sure medals won 4 years ago in Athens are relevant here)

But I also think the manner in which Bolt absolutey destroyed the 100m record, and beat the widely thought unbeatable 200m record is also worth something in addition to medals.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #106 on: December 07, 2008, 10:37 PM »
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My main reason for considering Bolt is because of that. That 200m run was staggering.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #107 on: December 07, 2008, 10:40 PM »
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Phelps beat 7 world records and one olympic record.. maybe not in the same manner but it's still world records.

I'm not putting down Bolt's acheivements... he was incredible too but saying 3 gold medals deserves more acknowledgement than 8 medals in different strokes, to me, makes no sense.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #108 on: December 07, 2008, 10:43 PM »
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I disagree. I'm not necessarily saying Bolt should win, but you definitely have to take into account the record broken, and how it was broken.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #109 on: December 07, 2008, 10:47 PM »
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That's fair enough.
Not that it diminishes the achievements in any way, but for clarity it might also be noted that it wasn't actually 8 different strokes while 3 of his wins were also not individual ones.   
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #110 on: December 07, 2008, 10:47 PM »
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I am... it was phenominal. IMO the 100m was even better... the way he just walked accros the line was wow...

 But so is 8 golds and 7 records, swimming 17 races in 9 days... to be able to keep up that intensity through that whole time as well..
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #111 on: December 07, 2008, 10:48 PM »
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That's fair enough.
Not that it diminishes the achievements in any way, but for clarity it might also be noted that it wasn't actually 8 different strokes while 3 of his wins were also not individual ones.   


I realise that lol.. but he did swim all 4 strokes..
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #112 on: December 07, 2008, 10:49 PM »
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Indeed he did. Although 2 of them only in the medley. But again, that doesn't diminish things in any way. Smile
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #113 on: December 07, 2008, 10:52 PM »
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And at the end of the events he said that for the next games he was gonna try and do all events that he hadn't done before... (not that that really counts for SPOY but still)

This is an unresolvable argument lol... one that i spent much of my summer arguing Wink I guess we'll just see what happens next week. Though i think of the two the British public would go for Bolt, purely because athletics is more popular...
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #114 on: December 07, 2008, 11:06 PM »
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You have to remember they are in different sports. I think worldwide, Bolt will hold more acclaim than Phelps as indeed Athletics does more than Swimming.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #115 on: December 07, 2008, 11:06 PM »
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Exactly. It's actually really hard to compare achievements when you're not comparing like for like. Swimmers have always won more events than athletes mainly because there are so many more events available to them that are similar enough such that the best ones are able to be the amongst best in each type. For someone like Usain Bolt, he can only do the 100m, 200m and the relay. Or rather he could only be any good in those ones. Sometimes sprinters do the long jump too although not very often. And the 2 that have been good at it in recent times have been drugs cheats anyway.

So who is to say x medals in swimming is better than y medals in athletics or the other way round? Who is to say Bolt wouldn't have also won the 100m, 200m and relay all running backwards or sideways or the 100m and 200m half backwards, half forwards like a medley? lol
There aren't enough similar events for an athlete to be able to win as many medals as a swimmer so maybe comparisons are not all that easy. Runners can usually do 2 or 3 events but for everyone else, there's only 1. In swimming, even your average no hoper (in terms of medals) could take part in 4 or 5.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #116 on: December 07, 2008, 11:09 PM »
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^ yeah, good point.. Either of the two would be deserving.
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #117 on: December 14, 2008, 07:15 PM »
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So it begins, Tim is sitting next to Kelly! lol

Sue just gave Tim the wimbledon trophy lmao
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #118 on: December 14, 2008, 07:22 PM »
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And the Young Sports Personality of the year goes to! - Eleanor Symmonds!

Certainly between her and Robson, well deserved though Smile  clap
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Re: BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2008 « Reply #119 on: December 14, 2008, 07:24 PM »
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I thought Laura would of won that
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