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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #165 on: May 27, 2009, 03:13 PM »
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Who has tickets to England V Andorra at Wembley? OH YES! My first post-uni adventure! :-) Never been to the new Wembley either.
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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #166 on: June 07, 2009, 01:47 PM »
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Great results for Scotland last night. Holland beat Iceland and Macedonia drew with Norway.


 Netherlands      6 6 0 0  14 2   18
 Scotland            5 2 1 2   4 6    7
 Iceland              6 1 1 4   6 10  4
 FYR Macedonia  5 1 1 3   2 7    4
 Norway             4 0 3 1   2 3    3


On Wednesday Macedonia play Iceland and Holland play Norway. We want a Holland win as they have already qualified and the others to draw.
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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #167 on: June 07, 2009, 01:57 PM »
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Scotland are in danger of being the worst runners-up though, and for that they'll need to improve a bit...
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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #168 on: June 07, 2009, 03:16 PM »
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Well, we're 8th out of 9. If we beat Norway and Macedonia we should make the play offs!
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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #169 on: October 08, 2009, 10:01 PM »
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What does anyone think of Blatter's talk about seeding the playoffs?

I'm strongly opposed to it. They have never been seeded before as far as I know, it should be completely random (although of course often are fixed anyway). And you can't make up the rules at this late stage, there has to be a set of guidelines in place before the competition starts. FIFA don't want to risk Italy, France or Ronaldo, their player of the year, not being there so don't want to end up with 2 of the 3 teams playing each other. But if one of them doesn't qualify then tough, they weren't good enough to be there.

It will be wrong if they end up seeding it. IMO Ireland, Norway/Scotland, Greece/Latvia have as much right as Italy, France and Portugal to be in the draw at the same level. Portugal are still 3 points behind the playoff position anyway so I hope they miss out, if only so we don't have to lose to them on penalties again and can at least lose to someone else for once!

Changing the subject, New Zealand plays the first leg of their playoff away in Bahrain this weekend. Only the 2nd time they have made it this far - they qualified for the finals in 1982. They will never have a better chance than this IMO. Such a piss easy route only having to play team like Vanuatu and Papua New Guinea before the playoff with the 5th Asian team. And you couldn't really hope for a much better playoff draw either. This ridiculously easy route has completely gone under FIFA's radar and if NZ make it FIFA will immediately change the format for next time.
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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #170 on: October 09, 2009, 03:13 AM »
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I think they usually are seeded - see here. It's really standard procedure. In fact, on a couple of websites/forums I follow which discuss rankings etc. everyone always assumed there would be seedings. The news agencies just make out as if a big announcement was made when really it was expected all along, and it would have been a major suprise if they wouldn't have seeded.
Anyway, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't usually have such qualms, I just like seeing the best teams/players at the world cup. Although I do think it'll be interesting to see the fallout if a country like Argentina fail to qualify!
It is fairly usual practice in other sports too. For example, in cricket tournaments (ODI WC, T20 WC), high ranked countries finishing second in the group kept their higher seed advantage even though they finished second.
Also, if you take your opinion all the way, why have any seeding anywhere at all, for example when drawing up the groups in the first place? Everyone deserves the same chance as everyone else.
What do you mean, by the way, that the draw is fixed anyway? Do you really think FIFA doctor the draw?


Concerning New Zealand, I don't think it's any different to normal, it's just you're noticing it because it affects a country you're following. Last time was just as bad - the lowest Asian team played the lowest North American team - T&T vs Bahrain.
They've just swapped round the playoffs to more geographically acceptable ties.
Basically, they can't give Oceania no place, they have to have a minimum of a playoff. The best thing would have been to combine Oceania with Asia completely, but that's impossible because of the distances involved.
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Re: World Cup 2010 Qualification « Reply #171 on: October 09, 2009, 04:38 AM »
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I made a mistake then, I thought it hadn't been seeded before and that's why a big deal was being made out of it now so my mistake. I still don't necessarily agree with seedings at that stage. It's right when drawing up thr groups to begin with, but IMO if you've finished 2nd, you've finished 2nd regardless of what you might have done 4 years earlier. Same in the CL, I don't think that for example we should be in the top seeded pot for the group stage when we finished 4th in the league and went through playoffs to get there. In fact I don't even agree we should be there at all for coming 4th but that's another issue for another day.

I do believe that FIFA and UEFA often fix the draws, although perhaps UEFA more so. Like that time we played Scotland in the Euro playoff for instance. Everyone had been talking about the inevitable draw for weeks before it took place and the guy actually said the name of the 2nd team on stage before the ball was opened to reveal it. There have been many more instances in the CL when a draw is assumed for weeks and then happens. I personally don't believe it was just coincidence when Chelsea and Liverpool drew each other in the group stage the season after that controversial goal in the semi final and then every single season in the knockout stages since then for example. You don't play the same team every year for 5 years in a row in a random draw IMO.

I still think the Oceania route this time is too easy. Bahrain have played 18 games to this point. NZ only had to play 6 games against Vanuatu, New Caledonia and Fiji to get to this point and qualified for this playoff over a year ago. They are drastically underprepared for this game and I hope they lose both legs by record score. IMO, the winner of Oceania should go through to the 2nd group stage of Asia and then go from there.
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