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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7245 on: June 11, 2009, 05:15 PM »
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Rangers, no question.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7246 on: June 11, 2009, 05:16 PM »
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Rangers, no question.

In terms of trophies won, yes, but serious answers please. :P
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7247 on: June 11, 2009, 05:18 PM »
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I thought New York Rangers are in nhl...:P
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7248 on: June 11, 2009, 05:47 PM »
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Right now? Tough one. With the last two major transfers belonging to Real , you might have to side with them.

But Man U/Barca/Real all have good cases. Definitely one of those 3 though.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7249 on: June 11, 2009, 05:50 PM »
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Right now?

No, history also is a vital part of a club's identity.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7250 on: June 11, 2009, 05:51 PM »
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No, history also is a vital part of a club's identity.

The biggest club in the world ever?

Pass, I don't have enough knowledge of world football in the past to know or form an opinion.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7251 on: June 11, 2009, 05:53 PM »
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Barcelona and Manchester United are the two leaders at the moment, that may change with Real's spending spree, but overall, when you include history, Real are for me the biggest club.

I'd also go out on a limb to say I consider Liverpool as a bigger club than Man Utd when you consider honours and history.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7252 on: June 11, 2009, 07:11 PM »
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Just remember that La Liga has been dominated by Madrid and Barca for years now (only 9 clubs have ever won it ever, and since the war it's been almost as bad as Scotland), so I don't think you can say it's got a history of being such a competitive league. Also, of the 9 European Cups, 5 were the first five years in a row, so I don't think it shows them being as dominating over the years as the number 9 makes it sound (although of course they still have 4 others!). And remember, if not for Munich, United would have had a big shout for one of those, and maybe more.
However, overall, I definitely think Madrid are the biggest club.
I also agree that Liverpool are bigger then United history-wise. The major point which makes me say this is the utter dominance United have had since the 90's, which I don't believe Liverpool ever had for such a period. This may round a bit illogical, but to my mind a short period of utter dominance - like United the last decade and a half, and similarly Madrid in the early years in Europe - is nowhere near as good as a longer period with less sheer dominance. At least when considering which club is bigger from a historical perspective.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7253 on: June 11, 2009, 07:35 PM »
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Just remember that La Liga has been dominated by Madrid and Barca for years now (only 9 clubs have ever won it ever, and since the war it's been almost as bad as Scotland), so I don't think you can say it's got a history of being such a competitive league. Also, of the 9 European Cups, 5 were the first five years in a row, so I don't think it shows them being as dominating over the years as the number 9 makes it sound (although of course they still have 4 others!). And remember, if not for Munich, United would have had a big shout for one of those, and maybe more.
However, overall, I definitely think Madrid are the biggest club.
I also agree that Liverpool are bigger then United history-wise. The major point which makes me say this is the utter dominance United have had since the 90's, which I don't believe Liverpool ever had for such a period. This may round a bit illogical, but to my mind a short period of utter dominance - like United the last decade and a half, and similarly Madrid in the early years in Europe - is nowhere near as good as a longer period with less sheer dominance. At least when considering which club is bigger from a historical perspective.

I disagree on your diminishment of the competitivity of La Liga, the standard of player, team and football there is fantastic.

Also, yes, they won the initial five ECCs, but they were an awesome team, the 7-3 final at Hampden is often referred to as one of the great performances by a club team. Di Stefano and Puskas were arguably the two best players in the world at that moment in time, the format was the same as the 1988 ECC competition, it wasn't easier to win it or anything like that, although arguably the new CL format is harder to win.

For me it's Real > Barca > AC Milan > Liverpool > Man Utd.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7254 on: June 11, 2009, 07:40 PM »
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For me it's Real > Barca > AC Milan > Liverpool > Man Utd.

I'd have AC ahead of Barca, but thats my top 5!
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7255 on: June 11, 2009, 10:11 PM »
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I wasn't diminishing those 5, just saying that it was all in just 5 years. It's not like they won 9 spread out over the entire 50 years of european competition, similar to my last point about United recently. Concerning the competitiveness of the league, from what I've read about the history of la liga it certainly was not as competitive outside the top teams as the football league was in england in those days.
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7256 on: June 13, 2009, 12:55 AM »
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On Ronaldo's transfer....

America's Los Angeles Times: "The hair-gel industry in north-west England suffered a catastrophic blow on Thursday."

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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7257 on: June 13, 2009, 10:06 AM »
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On Ronaldo's transfer....

America's Los Angeles Times: "The hair-gel industry in north-west England suffered a catastrophic blow on Thursday."

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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7258 on: June 13, 2009, 04:15 PM »
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Quote from: Coldmarek on June 11, 2009, 05:18 PM
I thought New York Rangers are in nhl...:P

Ha! I like that Marek. lol
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Re: Football Talk « Reply #7259 on: June 13, 2009, 07:03 PM »
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David Villa going to Madrid, what a team they're going to have next season, El Classico will be mouthwatering.
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