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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #30 on: November 24, 2007, 03:46 AM »
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Hiddink's great. I like Hoddle. HE wasn't sacked on footballing grounds. And if the players play badly he knows its not his fault. They must have done somthing bad in a former life. lol
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #31 on: November 24, 2007, 03:56 AM »
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Hoddle was crap. And an absolute nutter. roflmao
Hiddink is the top man at International level. Got Korea to a World Cup semi final, and got Australia to within a dive of knocking Italy out of the next one. Won't be the least bit suprised to see Russia in the semi finals next year.
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #32 on: November 24, 2007, 10:44 AM »
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Can't argue with his club record to be fair.


Yes you can... wasn't it you that was moaning about cheating Italians...?
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #33 on: November 24, 2007, 10:53 AM »
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Eh? When? confused

And how can you argue with his club record then? 7 league titles with 4 different clubs, including 3 different clubs in the same league.
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #34 on: November 24, 2007, 10:57 AM »
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Oh sorry, must have been someone else... lol

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Juventus won the 2004-05 and 2005-06 'Scudetto' under Capello's leadership, but were later stripped of their trophies due to involvement in the Italian match-fixing scandal.
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #35 on: November 24, 2007, 11:06 AM »
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Ah, I overlooked that. Suppose that puts a cloud over many of his achievements.
So to correct my figures from before, it's actually 7 league titles with 3 different clubs. There were 2 further ones with a 4th club that were later taken away. 2 seasons and 2 titles with Real Madrid and a European Cup with AC Milan.

Put it this way, I wouldn't put much money on there being someone with a better track record express an interest in the job.
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #36 on: November 24, 2007, 11:10 AM »
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Ah, I overlooked that.


Indeed, but can you imagine the British press doing the same...?
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #37 on: November 28, 2007, 12:01 AM »
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I just saw on BBC that Mourinho is ou ruling out the England job! Yay! Come on FA, hurry up and appoint him...
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #38 on: November 28, 2007, 02:42 AM »
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Mourinho seeks FA offer

Former Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho has reportedly expressed an interest in becoming the new England manager.
Mourinho, who left Chelsea in September, said he would be prepared to talk to the Football Association.

"You will have to speak to the FA to see if they are interested in offering me the job," he told The Sun newspaper.

"I cannot say what I think until they say they are interested. Tell the FA to come and get me. We will have to wait and see, but I rule nothing out."

Mourinho would be a popular choice to replace Steve McClaren at the helm with England because of his hugely impressive record with Chelsea and Porto.



(This would be great!! C'mon Jose!!)
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #39 on: November 28, 2007, 03:44 AM »
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Thing is, we want (or perhaps I should say need) to move away from the 1 man upfront, Gerrard/Lampard midfield and "aimlessly hoof it up to Crouch" tactics. They don't work, and we just don't have the players to make it work. And with Jose Moaninho, that's what we will get.

What we need is someone who will introduce different ideas to what we've seen the last few seasons. Someone who won't be afraid to drop an under-performing big name, namely a Lampard (or a Gerrard), in favour of an in form player who fits whatever system better (and I don't mean bow down to public pressure 5 games too late and hand someone a debut in the most crucial of games on the basis of performances in 1 training session). And I hear the very man has not extended his contract with Russia yet, perhaps waiting to see if the FA approach him, as they surely will do if the men on the board have half a brain between them, which admittedly is probably an unreasonable wish.

Mourinho's Chelsea and Mclaren's England were effectively the same concept. Big target man up front and "play for 1-0" football. Only the latter didn't have the players to make it work. They lacked the Drogba, Essien and Cech, the 3 key components that made it work for the former.
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Re: who should be the new England manager? « Reply #40 on: November 28, 2007, 08:34 AM »
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What are you talking about? That is not how Chelsea played under Mourinho. They might not have played the most exciting football, but they never played anything like that. And when he was at Porto, he also didn't play like that. Also, if anyone can drop big-name players easily, its Jose. Another point in his favour, is that England need a good man-manager and motivator, and someone who can change things around in the game if things aren't working out - and that is what he was famous for (i can't remember the amount of times Chelsea were losing or playing very badly at half time, and Jose did 3 substitutions, or sometimes just got them going with his team-talk, which transformed the game)
I think Hiddink is overrated. He has had success, but not to the same level as Jose has had with Porto and Chelsea. Also, i don't think the FA will be prepared to wait so long, till after the summer to get him.
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Re: who should be the new England manager? « Reply #41 on: November 28, 2007, 08:39 AM »
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Also, i don't think its right to talk about what post of tactics a manager will use, because, however much you or i think we know anything, we don't know anything about tactics etc. compared to these guys (everyone in the world is the best manager after the match/campaign/tournament). All i think you can look at is their record.
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Re: Who should be the new England manager? « Reply #42 on: November 28, 2007, 08:48 AM »
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Chelsea played exactly like that mate. 4-5-1, with Drogba as the target man and it was 1-0 football. It wasn't a criticism at all. They won consecutive titles with it, so it cannot be argued with in my book. What I said was that England's efforts to play the same way cannot possibly work as they simply do not have the resources for it. Namely the 3 key ingredients that made it a success.

Hiddink has had success at international level with poxy teams. A world cup semi final with Korea, and a dive away from knocking Italy out of the next world cup with Australia. Mark my words, he will be in the semi finals at Euro 2008 with Russia. All 3 of them I personally feel were inferior teams to England at the time, and with the latter of the 3, they beat England. We need someone who has had success at International level. Someone who knows what it's all about to go through a qualifying campaign and then compete at a World Cup successfully. I just don't feel Mourinho could succeed (as in go to a World Cup/Euro and progress further than a Quarter Final defeat on penalties) with the players we have.

On the wait, I don't see what the rush is. It's not as if we have anything to prepare for for at least the next year (or whenever the World Cup qualifiers start). In the next 12 months we will have 2, maybe 3  at most, meaningless friendlies against teams like Spain and Switzerland in their buildups to the Euro and perhaps 1 against Brazil or Argentina to bring in a crowd at Wembley. I disagree that a permanent manager needs to be in place for those. If we want to be the best, then we may aswell wait for the best. And after the Euro, the best international manager will be available.
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Re: who should be the new England manager? « Reply #43 on: November 28, 2007, 08:51 AM »
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Also, i don't think its right to talk about what post of tactics a manager will use, because, however much you or i think we know anything, we don't know anything about tactics etc. compared to these guys (everyone in the world is the best manager after the match/campaign/tournament). All i think you can look at is their record.


Agreed. Hiddink's record at International level speaks for itself.

As does Mourinho's at domestic level. I admit I'm still not fully convinced by Mourinho. I feel he won the title when he had the most money. I would really love to see if he could have kept Sunderland in the Premiership 2 seasons ago. My gut tells me he couldn't have.
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Re: who should be the new England manager? « Reply #44 on: November 28, 2007, 09:05 AM »
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Yes, but England aren't the Sunderland of international football, they are more similar to an underachieving Chelsea, thats why i don't think hiddink's record helps him so much.

Anyway, yes chelsea did play 4-5-1, but they played it utilising the wide men marauding forward, and passing inwards to drogba or to someone like lampard who would go forward as well. Noone would accuse chelsea of playing hoof-the-ball football.

I also think the manager has to have some time with the players before the next qualifying campaign starts.
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