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ATP with a two-year ranking system « on: May 14, 2009, 05:34 PM »
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Nole has just said the ranking system is "cruel" and Nadal wants it to be based on two years rather than one.

Can someone explain how a two-year ranking system would change tennis as we know it? Would top players not bother with a lot of the standard ATP tournaments?
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 05:43 PM »
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Interesting...
Basically, the ranking period is a way of compromising between, on the one extreme, players on a hot streak over a few months, and on the other extreme, players who have done well over their whole career. The time period chosen till now has been 12 months.
Now, the rankings have to be representative of all surfaces/conditions, which means the period has to be one year minimum. This suggestion is that it should be far longer.
If they extend the period to two years, it would make it harder for up and coming players to break through, and longer for top players to fall. There would be generally less movement in the rankings, and real changes in form would take longer to come through.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 06:20 PM »
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It is an interesting idea but I do think that he is bitter that he has dropped in the rankings to Andy.  I also think that if it was a 2 year ranking system the smaller tournaments would really suffer it would also really only benefit the top players.

"I try not to pay too much attention to the rankings, but to be realistic, playing three Masters Series finals in a row and winning a 250 event (Belgrade) is incredible success " from Djoko sounds like sour grapes to me
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 07:17 PM »
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It is an interesting idea but I do think that he is bitter that he has dropped in the rankings to Andy.  I also think that if it was a 2 year ranking system the smaller tournaments would really suffer it would also really only benefit the top players.

"I try not to pay too much attention to the rankings, but to be realistic, playing three Masters Series finals in a row and winning a 250 event (Belgrade) is incredible success " from Djoko sounds like sour grapes to me

It's astoundingly arrogant, as I didn't notice him being particularly vocal on this subject when he was playing like crap for the second half of last year and Andy was racking up the results. He was creeping back up in my estimation from his previous low, but he's gone back down again.

I was reading a thread on this on BBC 606 earlier and it turns out that he and Nadal have been talking about this and seem to be launching a joint offensive. Nadal is coming at it from the angle of 'it would help prolong careers as you wouldn't need such a packed schedule to defend the previous year's points'. Both of them are a bit out of line in this regard.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 07:19 PM »
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Apparently Rafa agrees with Nole.  What I find strange is that they decide now that the system is unfair.  Why complain now?  They didn't complain when they were climbing the rankings and benefitting from the system.   I like Rafa but I find his comments disappointing.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 07:23 PM »
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Apparently Rafa agrees with Nole.  What I find strange is that they decide now that the system is unfair.  Why complain now?  They didn't complain when they were climbing the rankings and benefitting from the system.   I like Rafa but I find his comments disappointing.

That's the whole thing in a nutshell. Their lack of complaint when the system benefitted them shows the situation up for what it is. I too like Rafa but he's said a couple of things lately that he never used to.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 07:25 PM »
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I agree that Rafa has recently said a few things that is out of character for him but nothing that is bad when you compare it to the average player, only looks bad because he is frankly an angel.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 07:29 PM »
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Could be they're getting scared cause Andy's coming for them yay
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 07:31 PM »
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Could be they're getting scared cause Andy's coming for them yay

Djokovic's comments are clearly because he knows Andy has the measure of him beyond clay now.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 07:31 PM »
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I understand why they feel this now... when you are a young up and comer, every tournament and every ranking movement is so exciting that it gives you incredible motivation to give the tour absolutely everything you've got. When you are at the top, I can imagine the motivation to try that hard is much less.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 07:32 PM »
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I agree that Rafa has recently said a few things that is out of character for him but nothing that is bad when you compare it to the average player, only looks bad because he is frankly an angel.

Don't think he's an angel - a bit humble at times that's all.  Think he's feeling the strain of being No.1 and getting chased.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 07:34 PM »
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Don't think he's an angel - a bit humble at times that's all.  Think he's feeling the strain of being No.1 and getting chased.
He is the nicest guy on tour and gives so much credit to his opponents win or lose, he's an angel innocent
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #12 on: May 14, 2009, 07:42 PM »
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A gentleman and good sportsman so far - I'll grant you slightly angelic though lol
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #13 on: May 14, 2009, 07:51 PM »
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I don't understand rafa's point. What do they gain if they make the rankings over two years? Unless he means that you reduce the amount of tournaments over that two year period? But then you can do that over a one year period too. Doesn't make sense to me.
Concerning Djokovic's comments, I don't think he meant that he doesn't deserve to lose his ranking since he reached three masters finals, he's just saying he doesn't mind so much about losing his ranking to Murray since he's been so successful over the last few weeks. That's a perfectly reasonable comment to make.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #14 on: May 14, 2009, 08:13 PM »
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I don't understand rafa's point. What do they gain if they make the rankings over two years? Unless he means that you reduce the amount of tournaments over that two year period? But then you can do that over a one year period too. Doesn't make sense to me.
Concerning Djokovic's comments, I don't think he meant that he doesn't deserve to lose his ranking since he reached three masters finals, he's just saying he doesn't mind so much about losing his ranking to Murray since he's been so successful over the last few weeks. That's a perfectly reasonable comment to make.

I think Nadal's point is that he wouldn't feel the pressure year on year to defend his good results, he could effectively have an 'easy' year without burning himself out to maintain his position, then go for it again the next. That's my reading of it anyway.

I guess Djokovic could mean it in the way that you say, but I just have a feeling that he meant it in a whinging way. He was very protective of that 3rd ranking during the AO.
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