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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #15 on: May 14, 2009, 08:20 PM »
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I don't understand - if he can have an easy year over two year rankings, then he can have an easy half a year over one year rankings. What's the difference.
With Djokovic, I'm sure he was asked if he's upset about losing the number 3 spot, so he probably replied, quite sensibly, that although he's upset it wasn't so bad since in this period he's been playing very well, and has won a tourney, and reached three masters semis.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #16 on: May 14, 2009, 08:35 PM »
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I don't understand - if he can have an easy year over two year rankings, then he can have an easy half a year over one year rankings. What's the difference.
With Djokovic, I'm sure he was asked if he's upset about losing the number 3 spot, so he probably replied, quite sensibly, that although he's upset it wasn't so bad since in this period he's been playing very well, and has won a tourney, and reached three masters semis.

Djokovic said something about the rankings being 'cruel'.

I'm not totally sure what Nadal's on about, not sure anyone is really.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #17 on: May 14, 2009, 08:44 PM »
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Yeah, that doesn't sound so good. I was more referring to Joanne's comment:

"I try not to pay too much attention to the rankings, but to be realistic, playing three Masters Series finals in a row and winning a 250 event (Belgrade) is incredible success " from Djoko sounds like sour grapes to me
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #18 on: May 14, 2009, 09:24 PM »
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I dislike Djokovic intensely.  Petulant, arrogant, and boring, his tennis powerful but uninspiring....I doubt he will ever reach a higher ranking than 3 in his whole career.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #19 on: May 14, 2009, 11:36 PM »
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What Djokovic said is interesting.  Over the last 6 months (including the Master Cup) then Djokovic has earned more ranking points than Andy so I can see why he feels he should be higher than Andy.

The interesting hypothetical question is :  if the ranking is based on the last 6 months then would Andy have overtaken Djokovic at anytime over the last 12 months.  I believe the answer would be yes during Andy's blitz at the Master Series where he was a runner up at IW, won Rome, and got to the semifinal of Monte Carlo.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #20 on: May 14, 2009, 11:47 PM »
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Murray:

There always seem to be problems and now it's obviously the rankings.

It's great that Novak's done well the last few weeks but the first three or four months of the year I played a lot better than him so I think the rankings reflect very well how the guys are playing.

Until this week I've never heard anyone complain. I think maybe only in the last week it's become a problem for Novak.

I understand what Rafa's saying with the two year thing.

It's kind of like in golf where there's not so much pressure every single week to play.
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #21 on: May 15, 2009, 12:05 AM »
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I can see how Djokovic would feel the ranking system is cruel at this moment, having slipped a place following a phenomenal return to form after a very poor couple of hard court reasons (by the standards of a top 5 player) - but not to much should be read into his or Rafa's comments as I doubt either of them expect the system to change.  There will always be times when the rankings don't fully reflect the standard of play and results over the last few months, especially at the very top of the table, but surely basing it on a year makes sense?

Any thoughts on how the current system and any alternatives might affect players in the critical zone between automatically getting a place in the high-scoring tournies or having to battle through qualifiers? I imagine there are a lot more players in that box than the lucky guys at the top who get first round byes and the guarantee of not meeting one of the top dogs till the later stages of the competition...
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Re: ATP with a two-year ranking system « Reply #22 on: May 15, 2009, 12:29 AM »
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I think what Rafa means is that by accumulating results over 2 years you reduce the volatility of the rankings; one bad result or one missed tournament is a smaller percentage of your total, so the pressure to play if you're carrying an injury is reduced. I can see where he's coming from, but I think there are better ways of revamping the ranking system to achieve the same result.

The way it's written Nole seems to be being a dick, although I'm always wary of taking these things out of context.

Philip - yes, Andy would have been world number 1 prior to the Aussie Open this year based on a 6-month ranking. Which is kind of stupid given that there was no clay or grass in that ranking. Also, this wouldn't fix what Nole's winging about - you've still got points dropping off as sharply as they come on.

In theory, it would arguably be better if results were given a linear decay rather than a step drop after 1 year, so as results slip further into the past their impact on rankings gradually diminishes. This leaves a problem in terms of the weight of different surfaces changing throughout the year though.
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