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Big 4 since 2005 - 2014

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Yes he is, its still Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Federer.
It hasn't been a big four for a while now. It's a big three and will be once again when Andy is back to full fitness.
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Yes he is, its still Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Federer.


History I'm afraid, well where Fed's concerned.
Andy has quite a long haul back.
@ TMH
Like your confidence though clap
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History I'm afraid.

No.
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Andy really doesn't have that long a haul.

Psychologically I think people will still think in terms of the big four, because of the way they have dominated, not just in slams, but Masters as well. I doubt we'll see the like of that again from Wawrinka et al.

Once Andy is back to full fitness, whether that means physically or in terms of match tightness, or a bit of the two, I think he's going to reach a new level. I can see a time coming when it will be Andy at the top of the tree.
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I agree that big four isn't same as top four so I think Andy is still in there.  But if Stan continues playing like he has been then it could become the big five.
Greg and Wade v positive about how Andy did overall at AO.  I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Andy back up there not least as apart from Miami and the grass season he has few ranking points to defend now.   Like your positive outlook tj.  yay
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Stan will never be part of a 'big 5', he has played so long without winning any slam or master titles, he's not consistently got to the business end of major tournaments like the big 4 have for years - together they have utterly dominated everything. If Stan or Delpo or some other players start winning slams and masters now then it will signal the end of the big 4 and the start of a new era.
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Like your positive outlook tj.  yay

Well, I do try Smile I really believe it though, Andy will be back up there and there are still great things to come. Can't wait!
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@laundry
So do u think this is a one off fluke? Fed is inevitably declining and  there does seem to be a bit of a change afoot.
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Stan will never reach a Slam final again.
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Just posted elsewhere that he's 29 in March and this is year is probably his best chance of getting another. Think he could be very threatening at RG.
The stars did align at the AO though, a walkover, a retirement and 2 day's rest b4 the final.
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Indeed - he was spared the worst of the heat and humidity as aresult. He was blessed by Djoko's bizarre matchpoint volley for sure.
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well I wouldn't rule him out for RG.  He's pretty good on clay and will be playing with a new confidence.
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I was thinking about RG earlier on. Stan is good on the clay.

If he recovers well from winning the AO you'd surely have to consider him one of the contenders for RG.

The stars did align for Stan at the AO I suppose, but you have to say as well that he has taken full advantage of the chance. That's why I can't begrudge him the win. Naturally, I reserve the right to begrudge him if he wins more than his share Smile.
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Is it the end? ... Surprised  2005 - 2013

2 slams and 2 masters gone to other players now. Seems to me this has happened because Andy has slipped, this was supposed to be his year.
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@laundry
"His year" predictions b4 back op?
Really do believe Fed is slipping down the greasy pole. Last two matches at USOpen he's been poor. Who knows how Rafa will come back. Who knows how Nole's changed personal life will effect him? Who knows if Andy can return to 2012 form after back op.  Shrug
2015 looks .......interesting, to say the least. But I believe that's a Chinese curse....living in "interesting times."
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