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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #300 on: August 20, 2012, 10:48 PM »
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I think I've made a career out of losing after being up 5-0.

I overcook it too much. Start playing in my head and doubting my shots if my confidence goes after losing the next game.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #301 on: August 20, 2012, 10:53 PM »
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Me too. tennis is such a mental game. My problem is I think too much. I imagine various scenarios (none of them positive), and start hitting shorter and shorter. Sometimes, confidence is all that keeps the ball in court. Especially the 2nd serve. When you're confident, you can just welly the ball and know that it'll go in, hard and deep.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #302 on: August 20, 2012, 10:55 PM »
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Nigel, I am the reverse. I can come back from any situation. I rely on my consistency rather than any big weapon to win.

I just say to myself that I can do it, I can win this point, this game. I always believe I can win a match once the match has started. Of course, I never start a match that I know I totally outmatched. My motto is that it is never over until the fat lady sings. It is fascinating how one can be 3 games behind but by focusing on winning one point at a time, quite quickly one draws level and then ahead to win the set. The tennis scoring system is very deceptive. Only 4 points and one wins a game, being 2-5 behind is actually only 12 points which is not difficult to win.

The secret is using your strength vs the opponent's weakness and focusing in the present moment and play one shot at a time, focusing on winning the point. I play the percentage shots in terms of hitting and directing the ball rather than whacking the hell out of the ball. The key word being 'control' as in I know roughly where the ball is going to end up. I hit the ball away from the opponent, keeping it awkward, slicing the ball for taller players, sometimes luring them into the net then lobbing them, make them run like rabbits and tire them out. Due to lack of power, I tend not to go into full frontal exchanges but attack their weaknesses unless I have a big lead and feeling really confident. If their BH is weak then I unashamedly go to their BH. If their FH is unreliable then that is where my shots will be. I tailor my play to my opponent and the condition. If it is windy, then I add extra margin for safety, use top spin as needed.

What I notice is that as one increases the shot power, the chance of making an error increases. As a result, it is better to be in control of a rally at a slight sacrifice in terms of power. Of course, against a great opponent, I would be forced to raise my level as needed and hit bigger shots.

To not panic, it is important you are in control and aware of your breathing.  Keep it even and under control. When necessary, take a few deep breaths to re-centre yourself.  Have fun :-)
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #303 on: August 20, 2012, 11:07 PM »
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Thanks, Philip. Yep, I've read Winning Ugly and all that stuff. I know you have to stay in the moment, take one point at a time. Trouble is, nobody tells you how. I'll try to take your points on board, though.

I asked, cos the club tournament is about to kick off. This is the first time I've played the men's singles in ten years. Back in 2002, I decided to be utterly ruthless. I played this guy who's basically a badminton player. I stared him down, didn't engage in small talk, drove the ball at him when he came to net. I wanted to destroy him and overcome my demons. I went 6-0 3-0 up...

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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #304 on: August 20, 2012, 11:15 PM »
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The key is in maintaining your focus on what you desire and not on what you fear. In a nutshell, focusing on each shot and have a very clear game plan as in 'I am hitting this ball to the BH' or 'I am hitting this ball to the FH' and visualise very clearly in your mind prior to hitting the shot as to how you want the shot to look at execution.

By breathing deeply and evenly and keeping your muscles relaxed, you minimise the chance of muscle tensing and making an error.

Here is the secret concerning the mind. At any instant in time, the mind can only focus on only 1 thing. If you are able to focus so strongly on how you are going to hit the shot, the mind has no time to imagine the worse case scenario. In other words, keep your mind occupied with how your shots are going to pan out, and use affirmations as in 'I can do it' 'I can hit this shot' and see In your mind's eyes the shot going where you want it to go.  Good luck. As with anything, practice makes perfect.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #305 on: August 20, 2012, 11:24 PM »
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Thanks for the tips. I'll let you know how I get on.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #306 on: August 20, 2012, 11:41 PM »
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Yeah, some really good tips from Philip there.

I've been in positions when I've been close it winning and my opponent has played a good shot or two or I've played a bad shot or two and I've started to panic and thought 'Not going to win this. I'm going to lose!' and then it went horribly wrong from there. At least I've managed to stop that thought process lately and become more calm, focused and positive. Some of the time when I've started to panic and I've told/thought to myself, 'no, you can do this. Do not miss. Hit it to his backhand.' And during the point I've though 'not going to miss' and been really determined to not miss.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #307 on: August 20, 2012, 11:53 PM »
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Do either of you actually feel fear during rallies - a really constricting, nervy feeling, almost like you're playing with the brakes on? Cos that's what I feel.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #308 on: August 20, 2012, 11:56 PM »
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I'm one of those people who always manages a great comeback. But I'm also a bit of a choker too lol

Do either of you actually feel fear during rallies - a really constricting, nervy feeling, almost like you're playing with the brakes on? Cos that's what I feel.
Yes. When they get past a few shots I start to feel nervous, almost like I want to burst out laughing.

It's annoying because it means I tend not to hit with confidence at that point but I usually can keep it together and not make a stupid error.

If in a long rally I'm suddenly pushed to my limits, I will then play my best because the actual rally stops being in my mind. It's like passing over the controls to my subconscious.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #309 on: August 21, 2012, 12:21 AM »
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I get fear during the rallies when I get into slower placed rally and both of us in the rally are hitting the ball into roughly to same spot each time. My fear is getting a bit casual and hitting a sloppy error.

I also get fear at the moment from a short, slower paced, low bouncing short which would mean that I would have to approach the net but I kind of try to just get it back in and retreat to the baseline. Just now I'm low in confidence about approaching the net and my positioning.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #310 on: August 21, 2012, 04:44 AM »
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Loving reading your posts. This is real tennis, just like Andy feels.
I only got as far as getting the feckin' ball over the feckin' net, and ended up being carted to A&E. This is a true story. yes
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #311 on: August 21, 2012, 08:50 AM »
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I do feel anxious when the opponent is playing well.  I try my best to suppress the fear and focus on what I need to do, the strokes I need to make and keep breathing and keep body loose and relaxed. Have you noticed how when you are fearful, your breathing becomes constricted and your muscles become tense.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #312 on: August 21, 2012, 11:00 AM »
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I do feel anxious when the opponent is playing well.  I try my best to suppress the fear and focus on what I need to do, the strokes I need to make and keep breathing and keep body loose and relaxed. Have you noticed how when you are fearful, your breathing becomes constricted and your muscles become tense.

I play in a state of rigor mortis.
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #313 on: August 21, 2012, 11:41 PM »
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Lost a match this evening 6-4 6-4. 2 breaks of serve to 1 in each set and had my chances to win by probably the same scoreline.

Lost a run of 4 games in the middle of each set and I think the 2nd 2 of each of the 4 games were lost purely down to me getting angry at myself for letting game/break points slip away and then get broken. lol Rolling Eyes
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Re: Club talk and tennis tips « Reply #314 on: August 26, 2012, 07:33 PM »
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Apparently going to play tennis tomorrow with someone who I haven't seen in more than a year. Won't get any good practice in, because this person sucks at tennis and I'm only as good as the person on the other side of the net.
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