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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #75 on: April 08, 2012, 11:08 AM »
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David Goffin apparently replacing Rochus today. Will play Josh Goodall in 1st match.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #76 on: April 08, 2012, 11:20 AM »
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The official figure of juniors competing regularly in 2011 is just over 51,700 up from 10,700 in 2007. I think that's defined as people that have 5 or more matches recorded within a period, which I think is 6 months.

The vast majority of those people will be playing in club and district matchplays. I suspect it is only about 1,000 or so play actual tournaments every few weeks. Many more will probably play just 2 or 3 or less actual tournaments a year.


Quote from: Elena on April 08, 2012, 11:08 AM
David Goffin apparently replacing Rochus today. Will play Josh Goodall in 1st match.
Rochus is apparently injured. Can't see it changing the final outcome unfortunately.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #77 on: April 08, 2012, 11:30 AM »
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Quote from: Allan on April 08, 2012, 11:20 AM
The official figure of juniors competing regularly in 2011 is just over 51,700 up from 10,700 in 2007. I think that's defined as people that have 5 or more matches recorded within a period, which I think is 6 months.

The vast majority of those people will be playing in club and district matchplays. I suspect it is only about 1,000 or so play actual tournaments every few weeks. Many more will probably play just 2 or 3 or less actual tournaments a year.

Rochus is apparently injured. Can't see it changing the final outcome unfortunately.

Don't France have something like 3 million regularly competing juniors? Similar figures from Spain and Germany.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #78 on: April 08, 2012, 11:34 AM »
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Apart from the pyramid issue, I've also said before that two other things hold GB back: the climate and the fact we're an island. It's easy for other Europeans to compete outside their country and cross borders. Not so for Brits. And Americans have a much bigger, broader base of talent in such a vast country. For the most part, Brits compete against Brits.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #79 on: April 08, 2012, 11:37 AM »
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Quote from: Allan on April 08, 2012, 11:20 AM
Rochus is apparently injured. Can't see it changing the final outcome unfortunately.

How have we ended up with Josh Goodall playing singles?
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #80 on: April 08, 2012, 11:52 AM »
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Quote from: Grabcopy on April 08, 2012, 10:54 AM
Actually, I say 10,000. I believe about 600 regularly compete. That's an international embarrassment for a nation that hosts the world's premier tennis tournament.

So why not more?  Is it down to funding, facilities or parents not prepared to make the commitment say like Andy's parents were?  Sorry, just read your comments about location having an effect.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #81 on: April 08, 2012, 12:03 PM »
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Quote from: Bevc on April 08, 2012, 11:52 AM
So why not more?  Is it down to funding, facilities or parents not prepared to make the commitment say like Andy's parents were?  Sorry, just read your comments about location having an effect.

One of the big problems we have at our club is getting our juniors to play competitively. We have plenty of junior members (slightly more than seniors), but they generally seem disinclined to actually play in competition. It's odd. No doubt Nigel will blame Labour, or something.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #82 on: April 08, 2012, 12:06 PM »
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Quote from: boogers on April 08, 2012, 12:03 PM
One of the big problems we have at our club is getting our juniors to play competitively. We have plenty of junior members (slightly more than seniors), but they generally seem disinclined to actually play in competition. It's odd. No doubt Nigel will blame Labour, or something.

Think  Is that down to schools - everyone's a winner, etc?  Except when it comes to jobs, partners, parking spaces, it's all a big competition.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #83 on: April 08, 2012, 12:14 PM »
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Just been looking at my local tennis club (not that I play even though just around the corner Whistle ) but they start them young!  Sessions for 3-5 year olds.  45 minutes per week, 8 week stint for $85 or $12 per session.  Half that for the £ equivalent.  They appear to cover all age groups.

Just googled my home town in the UK.  Never even knew we had a club, let alone where it was.  Of course, it is in one the better areas of Doncaster Whistle  12 courts, 6 astro turf and 6 American clay court, open all year round.  Fee's are by a yearly membership (varies, depending on who you are), though there are allocated times for certain groups and you have to pay £1 per 20 minutes for the floodlights.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #84 on: April 08, 2012, 12:43 PM »
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #85 on: April 08, 2012, 01:25 PM »
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Quote from: Allan on April 08, 2012, 10:02 AM
Edmund does seem to have progressed faster so as he does have a world ranking though O'Mara did win a set 6-2 against Marton Fucsovics (ranked about 550) a few weeks ago before losing in 3. He trains largly trains at Stirling Uni and does spend some weeks training at Roehampton. Rather like Fleming does when he's in the UK. Greg Rusedski's actually travelled up to Stirling Uni twice in the past 6 months for a few days at a time to help coach and mentor him.

He's hit with some of the GB squad at one of the ties at Braehead last year and he's going to be at Braehead again today (though he's not been there so far this week.)

He only really started to regularly play ITF juniors events after he left school last year. After today he's due to play play 5 weeks of junior tourneys.
Thanks. So one we should be looking out for on the Junior tour over the coming months then? Fucsovics was on the of the top Junior players two years ago (I think it was), along with Berta and Gomez. All three of them struggling to make much impact on tour though (instead it's the likes of Kudla, Sock, Duckworth, Marti, etc who have made the strides). Always interests me how the higher ranked juniors often seem to struggle (take Donald Young for instance!) whilst the lower ranked guys make the bigger steps first - but I guess it's because they are lower ranked in the first place because they're playing more pro matches and less juniors.

Ward-Hibbert was another I hadn't heard of until the Aussie Open - now he's shot up to the top 15 in the Juniors.

Anyway I believe I've side-tracked. Very Happy We need a Juniors thread. Unless there is one and I've not seen it. I don't think I've actually looked.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #86 on: April 08, 2012, 01:32 PM »
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Quote from: Grabcopy on April 08, 2012, 11:37 AM
How have we ended up with Josh Goodall playing singles?
Murray not playing, Ward injured, Baker already occupied (or was when Ward pulled out), leaving Goodall as the highest ranked Briton. Tbf to the lad he's he did well on Friday. Would much rather Evans had been the first player on though instead of Goodall, despite their rankings.

As for Goffin, he's a big up and comer and more used to playing these lower ranked guys that Goodall and Evans are than Rochus will be. He won the Le Gosier challenger last week (beating Alex Ward in a 3rd set tie-break en-route) and got to the Quarters of a 250 in Chennai I believe a couple of months back.

Elsewhere John Isner is 6-3, 7-6, 5-7, 4-2 up against Tsonga on the clay. His recent rise has been incredible, and I'm amazed how well he's done on the Clay this year. Tsonga beat him in Paris back in November.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #87 on: April 08, 2012, 01:42 PM »
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I agree more indoor courts are required because of bad weather mainly in Scotland. We do need more and I think if more courts were provided in council run sports centres this would help. I agree Judy Murray has contributed a great deal in trying to encourage younsters to participate in tennis. Also Andy's success has encouraged young people to do so. The problem being that many families do not have the money to encourage their children to take tennis lessons.
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #88 on: April 08, 2012, 01:45 PM »
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Quote from: TheMadHatter on April 08, 2012, 01:32 PM
Elsewhere John Isner is 6-3, 7-6, 5-7, 4-2 up against Tsonga on the clay. His recent rise has been incredible, and I'm amazed how well he's done on the Clay this year. Tsonga beat him in Paris back in November.

Isner is big on clay. Could be an outsider for RG?
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Re: Davis Cup: GB vs Belgium 6-8 April « Reply #89 on: April 08, 2012, 01:48 PM »
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Saying that, Isner's rise could be down to the weakness of the field outside the top four. The bottom half of the top ten is basically open season for anyone in the top 30 prepared to get their act together. Look at the gatecrashers in the last year or so - Melzer, Almagro, Fish, Tipsarevic and so on. These are top-30 guys.
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