You think Andy would be so loyal to Rafa that he would turn a blind eye to him doping?
To be honest, why are Andy's thoughts about Rafa completely irrelevant to you?
And, why are you now deciding to sit on the fence?
1) Just to clarify I am not sitting on the fence in any shape or form. I am still of the opinion that eventually Nadal will be outed as a doper. Ditto Ferrer, and probably Djokovic as well.
2) I am still of the opinion that the doping controls in tennis are a complete joke.
3) Murray's thoughts on Nadal are irrelevant in the sense I can't make any judgements about what he thinks or doesn't think about Nadal, or what his relationship with him actually is. The public persona of how he appears to relate to Nadal might be actually how he relates or it might be the complete opposite. Neither me, nor anyone here can actutally know. Look at how little we actually know about what his back injury actually is. Some people will accept/support their friends regardless of what they do. We know from Murray's reaction to Ross H that he is an incredibly loyal friend. He might know that Nadal is doping, but equally know that he is being forced into it by the infamous Uncle Tony. It would all be complete spectulation.
4) What I do think is that Doping in tennis is undoubtedly an open secret amongst the players. If Murray knows that Nadal and co are doping and not speaking out about it - does that make him a bad person, or to quote Elena using my own words "an ostrich" ?
Given the abuse I have got on Murray's World for suggesting tennis might not be a clean sport, I think it would be totally understandable why he is not putting his head above the parapet. Whistleblowers don't generally have an easy time of it in any walk of life. His position would rapidly become completely untenable. History would suggest that. (Note for the avoidance of any doubt I am not suggesting I am a whistleblower, my conclusions are based simply on what I have seen and read). Look at what happened to people who spoke out in cycling. I have a great deal of respect for Murray for speaking out about Cilic. His comment was completely unequivocal. I notice that Murray is speaking out on the subject more and more. I rather think he is doing what he can. Let's also not forget that Murray knows exactly the consequences of comments he makes being misinterpretated. No wonder he might be wary of speaking out.
I do find it interesting how his recent behaviour, from inviting the press to see him training, to posting pictures of himself in a hospital bed, could be interpretated as him saying "this is why I am so strong physically, this is why I have the endurance for this long matches, yes I am actually injured not on a silent ban". The corrollary of that might be "I am not doping, and this is the evidence, but others might be". Djokovic and Nadal are not exactly open books about their training regimes and injuries are they?
To sum up, nothing I have seen or read since I started following tennis a couple of years ago has persuaded me that tennis is a clean sport. I think more and more the mainstream press are suggesting it is not. For reasons I have repeatedly outlined I personally do not think Nadal, Ferrer and Djokovic are clean athletes. That is my personal opinion.
Do I think that Murray would be so loyal to Nadal that he would turn a
blind eye to him doping? Yes there are certain situations whereby I could see that happening.
Now let's address the unthinkable. If as a certain internet site would suggest that they are all at it, including Murray and it came out that he along with the others was doping. How would I personally feel?
My answer to that is quite simple - I would feel let down and upset, not too mention feeling a complete Pillock for supporting him. However and this is the caveat, I might also understand why. If he knew that the top players around him were all at it, and were better than him by virtue of it, at the same time that he was constantly getting crucified in the press and in places like this (re read some of the match threads and reports), for not wining his Grand Slam or being the best. Could I actually blame him? Realistically and honestly no. As a fan wanting him to win, you could argue that I would need to take some of the responsibility as well.
I have outlined why I don't think Murray is a doper. I stand by that view. I think all that we have seen of him would suggests that he is too honest, too straight, has too much integrity to go down that route. I suspect that a victory won by dishonest means, would be no victory to him. Not too mention the fact that guile doesn't seem to feature highly in his make up. We all can tell fairly instantly when he comes out on the court what sort of mood he is in. He appears to be something of an open book. If that's me being niave then I am guilty as charged.
Once again I have done my best to respond, and will undoubtedly get villified for it. I am however at least in the right thread this time, which could be deemed as progress...!!!