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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #60 on: October 24, 2012, 05:57 AM »
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I do not understand why Rafa and his uncle Tony do not come clean about his injury. It's like the secret service he would make a good James Bond. Really is it too much to ask for him to give a straight answer. Do they think other players are waiting to jump on them. Really it is time for the truth.

Yeah, I agree. Just imagine all his fans, they must be so confused...
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #61 on: October 24, 2012, 10:49 AM »
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I do not understand why Rafa and his uncle Tony do not come clean about his injury. It's like the secret service he would make a good James Bond. Really is it too much to ask for him to give a straight answer. Do they think other players are waiting to jump on them. Really it is time for the truth.

You see, I disagree with that. To my mind the issue with Rafa is not that they are keeping secrets, after all, Rafa is entitled to privacy, the same as all of us. The issue, it seems to me, is that they have said too much.

I think Rafa would have been much better off to have said nothing, rather than giving details out of three different problems with his knee. It's that that has caused the speculation. I still think Rafa should have just said he has a knee injury and left it at that. People know he has suffered with tendonitis over the years. There would have been no problem with letting peple think that was the problem again.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #62 on: October 24, 2012, 01:06 PM »
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So by implication Andy should come clean about his back problem and tell us exactly what it is?  After all we only have his word that he has one and used it as a convenient excuse to avoid playing on the slippery blue clay of Madrid (except nobody knew just how slippery it was until they played on it) and used it again to wriggle out of Basel just for the fun of letting the organisers down so's he could have a nice comfortable rest?

I know it can be frustrating for fans, but players have the same right to privacy about their health problems/injuries as everyone else has.  If they choose to make a specific statement, fine - but if they choose not to, then we should respect that.

Aileen - I'm sure you mentioned in another post somewhere that Andy was being disrespectful to his fans in not making a ststement about his withdrawal from Basle.

You're entitled to change your mind - it's a woman's prerogative after all - and I mention it only because your current post comes over to me as a bit of a lecture.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #63 on: October 25, 2012, 03:02 AM »
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Aileen - I'm sure you mentioned in another post somewhere that Andy was being disrespectful to his fans in not making a ststement about his withdrawal from Basle.

You're entitled to change your mind - it's a woman's prerogative after all - and I mention it only because your current post comes over to me as a bit of a lecture.
That was said in the heat of the moment and I've since regretted it.  Also I wasn't inferring at the time that he should have told us exactly what his problem is, merely that it was a back injury that had caused him to withdraw.

And if you think my post sounds like a lecture, which it certainly wasn't intended to be, then I suggest you read some of LBs which are decidedly schoolmarmish in tone, and I told her so ages ago. 
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #64 on: October 25, 2012, 10:27 AM »
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I have read some of LBs and I would say she expresses herself forcefully as do quite a number of people on the forum.   
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #65 on: October 25, 2012, 11:20 AM »
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So Aileen I am schoolmarmish in tone. I was brought up to say what I think. I do not hide my true feelings and I am being true to my beliefs. I would suggest Aileen you are the same so do not lecture others. Many people on MW are the same so if you do not like what I say just ignore it. It is as easy as that.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #66 on: October 26, 2012, 01:53 AM »
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I have read some of LBs and I would say she expresses herself forcefully as do quite a number of people on the forum.   
I was expressing myself forcefully yet got accused of lecturing?  Is there are rule for some on here and not for others?
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #67 on: October 26, 2012, 08:16 PM »
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I was expressing myself forcefully yet got accused of lecturing?  Is there are rule for some on here and not for others?

I thought the tone of your post was a bit sharp as Lb was saying very much what you had said a couple of days before.    If you had acknowledged that you had felt
the same way but had since changed your mind the post would have seemed entirely different.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #68 on: October 26, 2012, 09:10 PM »
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Calm down folks - everyone is entitled to an opinion - let's not fight among ourselves!
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #69 on: October 26, 2012, 09:28 PM »
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^Sorry but who are you to butt in?
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #70 on: October 27, 2012, 01:11 AM »
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^Sorry but who are you to butt in?

And who are you to judge Judy?
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #71 on: October 27, 2012, 01:17 AM »
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Calm down folks - everyone is entitled to an opinion - let's not fight among ourselves!
I agree.  Even though I'm a guilty party here I dislike it when threads turn into slanging matches instead of focussing on the subject of the thread.  Unfortunately it tends to happen when there are no Murray matches, so roll on Paris!
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #72 on: October 29, 2012, 06:25 PM »
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I do not understand why Rafa and his uncle Tony do not come clean about his injury.

I'm guessing that players don't like to bang on about their injuries in case it boosts the confidence of their upcoming opponents.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #73 on: October 30, 2012, 02:05 AM »
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I'm guessing that players don't like to bang on about their injuries in case it boosts the confidence of their upcoming opponents.
Or alternatively exaggerate them and fool players into thinking they have a fairly serious injury, so their opponents feel a bit complacent, and then they can come out all guns blazing and beat them.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #74 on: October 30, 2012, 12:49 PM »
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This is Andy's thoughts on the doping situation,for anyone interested:


The Lance Armstrong scandal continues to rip through cycling but with so much money on offer in other sports, doping is an issue for everyone. Andy Murray has been critical of the testing process in the past but on Monday, he told a small group of reporters how the Armstrong scandal has affected his understanding of drugs and called for more blood testing, more out of competition testing and the strict enforcement of bans for cheats.

This is the first time we’ve seen you since the Lance Armstrong scandal erupted. Is he someone you followed a lot?

No, I really didn’t. Obviously I knew a fair amount about him. There were always suspicions, especially the last few years when there were loads of guys failing tests and it was coming out, so it was always looking increasingly likely that something like that was going to have been going on. I actually had a blood test on Saturday night, an out of competition test, it was completely random. I think that’s good; we’re not used to doing that many blood tests in tennis. I’ve probably had four or five blood tests this year, but a lot more urine, so it’s something that’s obviously necessary because when you hear things like (Armstrong) it’s a shame for their sport but how they managed to get away with it is incredible, for that long.

Is it naïve to think that tennis doesn’t have a problem with drugs?

No (but) you never know in any sport what’s really going on. The one thing I would say with a sport like cycling, is it’s purely physical. There’s very little, I think, skill involved in the Tour de France, it’s pretty much just physical. A lot of the way the teams work now is just science, the power, however many watts you’re producing, they know all of it based on the heart rates, all those things; whereas with tennis, you can’t teach the skill by taking a drug. But you never know with the sports. The thing with tennis is that there’s a lot of testing at the top end, but lower down there isn’t anywhere near as much as near at the top end. I’ve looked a few times at the list of how many times guys have been tested and you can see it, because with the Whereabouts form, I think only the top 50 singles players and maybe only the top 10 doubles players have to do it, so it doesn’t necessarily always make sense just to test the guys that are at the top, you need to do it throughout the whole sport and I think that would help as well. But it was good to see that we’ve started doing the out of competition blood testing because most of the time we’ve done out of competition stuff, it’s been urine, so that was a change.

You think it might not have been a coincidence, in terms of timing?

Who knows? I mean, in France, they are pretty strict. Pretty much every tournament I’ve played in France, they’ve done drug testing, so it’s not really that surprising, but the fact that it was blood and out of competition is a bit different to what we’re used to.

You’ve spoken about annoyance of being tested in middle of night. Has Armstrong stuff made you a bit more tolerant about it all?

Yeah, I think, the thing I would say about tennis is that we get tested throughout the whole year, from a lot of the tournaments. I think the out of competition stuff could probably get better. When we’re in December, when people are training and setting their bases I think it would be good to try and do more around that time. The thing that bugged me with it, was when you have the whole Wayne Odesnik thing, I just feel that if people are going to go through the process of doing the whole Whereabouts thing and yes, all of the players are putting the 6-7 in the morning – but there’s a reason for that because they know exactly where they’re going to be – that if people fail the tests, don’t let them off and don’t say, OK, it’s going to go from two years to six months, because that’s not how it should work. If we’re going through this process, which yeah, can at times be a bit frustrating even if it is necessary, when somebody fails a test, don’t just let them back into the sport 18 months earlier than what they should be. That’s what was frustrating for me about it because we’re going through all of this and they’re being too lenient with guys that are travelling with human growth hormone to other countries. It’s ridiculous.

Are tennis players tarnished by the same brush because of what’s happened in cycling?

I think tennis at the highest level, in comparison to most sports, has been pretty clean. I would be completely open to anyone to come and watch what I do in December and see the stuff I do, how I recover, how I wake up some mornings. Sometimes guys are good at putting a brave face on after playing a five-hour match and getting up the next day, struggling to walk, all those things. People can come and watch the training that we do. But I don’t think people look at tennis players in the same way that they would at the cyclists because this sport hasn’t had the problems they’ve had. Literally the whole of the Tour de France was taking drugs ten years ago and in tennis since 1990 we’ve had (around) 65 positive tests, 10 of them recreational – some of them were guys like Mariano Hood who was taking stuff for hair loss – there were 10 or 15 of them, so there have been 30 to 35 performance enhancing in that time. In one year of the TDF you had more than that so I don’t think tennis has been that bad but that isn’t to say that more can’t be done to make it 100 percent sure there are no issues.

http://www.thetennisspace.com/andy-murray-we-need-more-blood-tests-in-tennis/
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