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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #75 on: October 30, 2012, 04:06 PM »
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Thanks Dani.......That was really interesting!
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #76 on: October 30, 2012, 05:04 PM »
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I read on one of the tennis websites yesterday that James Blake has come out and said that its a well known fact that tennis players use performance enhansing drugs on tour especially at the top of the game.He said he was not prepared to mention any names as it would not make any difference nothing would be done about it.So my arguement is then why would you say something like that and not follow it through.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #77 on: October 30, 2012, 05:13 PM »
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Or alternatively exaggerate them and fool players into thinking they have a fairly serious injury, so their opponents feel a bit complacent, and then they can come out all guns blazing and beat them.

Either way it's a form of cheating or excessive gamesmanship
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #78 on: October 30, 2012, 05:15 PM »
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Hi All,

I sort of remember when Greg Rusedski failed a drugs test. I think it was for Nandrolone or something like that. I can't remember exactly. He insisted right from the start that he was clean.

The one I do remember well was when Gasquet was found to have cocaine in his drugs test. He was banned for a while I think, whilst the matter was investigated. He said he'd kissed a girl in a night club and she'd been using it. I could never quite work out whether that suggested he'd kissed the girl or eaten her.

As for Andy, I just don't think he would ever do it. He's worked too hard to get where he is to face the prospect of being banned for life, and for what? A strong performance in a tournament, one that he's capable of producing all on his own anyway? I just don't think Andy could look any of his team in the eye, or face himself in the mirror, if he ever did such a thing.

In Nadal's case I very much doubt there is a 'silent ban' in place. Wouldn't there be at least hints of something in the tennis coverage if that was so? The trouble is that Nadal's team have, in effect, fulled these malicious rumours by giving out a lot of different information about what is actually wrong with him. To my mind they would have been better off issuing one statement, i.e. a statement, not a comment from Rafa on facebook, saying that such and such was the problem, rather than giving the impression it was tendonitis, before announcing it was Hoffa's syndrome, and then saying it was a partially torn patella tendon. Either that or they should have just said he had a knee injury and left it at that. Sometimes saying nothing is better than sending out a lot of mixed information.
I agree with you TJ Andy would never do anything like that.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #79 on: October 30, 2012, 05:58 PM »
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Good for Andy for speaking up about this.

There are rumours galore out there on this subject.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #80 on: October 30, 2012, 06:45 PM »
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I think Andy did right to speak up too but I don't think his comment, 'I think there's very little skill involved in the Tour de France, it's pretty much just physical,' will go down well with the cycling fraternity!  I can see where he's coming from though.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #81 on: October 30, 2012, 07:19 PM »
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Alis,if you look at the twitter thread,I've posted a conversation he had on there with a rather displeased member of the cycling fraternity!Imo he explains himself pretty well in it actually.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #82 on: October 30, 2012, 07:25 PM »
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Thanks Dani.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #83 on: October 30, 2012, 07:53 PM »
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I read on one of the tennis websites yesterday that James Blake has come out and said that its a well known fact that tennis players use performance enhansing drugs on tour especially at the top of the game.He said he was not prepared to mention any names as it would not make any difference nothing would be done about it.So my arguement is then why would you say something like that and not follow it through.

Does anyone else think it's pretty outrageous to make this sort of comment with nothing at all to substantiate it?Don't get me wrong-I hate cheating of any kind with a passion,and I'm all for cheats being exposed.But the way Blake said it rankles with me.He might not have named any specific names,but he did specifically say the guys at the top of the game.Everyone knows who the top guys are;there's not that many of them and there's a pretty big gap between them and the rest.So effectively there's a certain number of people he's accusing,without actually saying their names.I don't know,maybe I'm reading it wrong,or reading too much into it or something,but that's the way it comes across to me.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #84 on: October 30, 2012, 07:54 PM »
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You just knew someone would pick up on the quote and rush to take offence without thinking about the context of what he was saying.   It probably wasn't the wisest phrasing, but it's fairly obvious that there was no intention of putting down what the cyclists do, just making a comparison of the relative skill vs strength components of the sports.   I see the person who complained has accepted Andy's explanation with good grace.  Sadly, there are a few going around quoting him out of context, and telling him that there's more testing in cycling than tennis - oblivious to the fact that Andy was actually pressing for tennis to do more!

It's been such a hot topic in the press, it was inevitable someone would be asked about it this week, especially as they are in France.   Perhaps Andy expected someone to say something, but for an off the cuff question, probably just an attempt for a sound-byte condemnation of Lance, Andy gave incredibly informed, thoughtful and thought provoking answers.   The skill bit for cycling could have been better phrased, especially as it's already obvious that tour cycling isn't about a deft touch.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #85 on: October 30, 2012, 08:07 PM »
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Does anyone else think it's pretty outrageous to make this sort of comment with nothing at all to substantiate it?Don't get me wrong-I hate cheating of any kind with a passion,and I'm all for cheats being exposed.But the way Blake said it rankles with me.
I don't think his approach was particularly helpful.  It's one thing to say he thinks it might be going on, but to me, the suggestion it's more widespread at the top than the bottom is counter-intuitive.   Most top players made waves when they were scrawny teenagers.   Doping might make them more consistent, and capable of winning more, but it didn't make them good.   Doping would have much more lure for a player whose progress up the rankings has stalled and knows they need to do something about it, or give up on the dream.

In the absence of specific reasons for suspecting doping, I'd assume someone like Blake simply feels that the top players are in another league.    Some people find it hard to accept that they simply aren't as talented as the other guys, so would rather come up with excuses than face their own limitations. 

It is possible that some top players are doping, but if it is happening, they won't be doing anything to make it "obvious" to a lower ranked player like Blake.    With the money at stake, there's bound to be a few who want to earn even more than they are already earning, but I genuinely believe that most athletes would rather win clean.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #86 on: October 30, 2012, 08:20 PM »
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I don't think his approach was particularly helpful.  It's one thing to say he thinks it might be going on, but to me, the suggestion it's more widespread at the top than the bottom is counter-intuitive.   Most top players made waves when they were scrawny teenagers.   Doping might make them more consistent, and capable of winning more, but it didn't make them good.   Doping would have much more lure for a player whose progress up the rankings has stalled and knows they need to do something about it, or give up on the dream.

In the absence of specific reasons for suspecting doping, I'd assume someone like Blake simply feels that the top players are in another league.    Some people find it hard to accept that they simply aren't as talented as the other guys, so would rather come up with excuses than face their own limitations. 

It is possible that some top players are doping, but if it is happening, they won't be doing anything to make it "obvious" to a lower ranked player like Blake.    With the money at stake, there's bound to be a few who want to earn even more than they are already earning, but I genuinely believe that most athletes would rather win clean.
I agree with you 100% as did lots of other people on the tennis site i read it on.There reasons were the same for Blake saying those as yours.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #87 on: October 30, 2012, 10:34 PM »
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I think i may have to take back some of what i said,im not sure James was actually saying it was the top players.This is part of what he did say.

Suspicious Blake alleges tennis cheating.
Suspicious veteran James Blake believes that after the Lance Armstrong cycling doping allegations
tennis might still not pass the smell test when it comes to cleanliness.
The 32yr old,who has fallen to 84th in the ATP rankings after playing only 11 ATP level events
this season,is not shy about broadcasting his suspicions despite the long standing anti-doping,
protocals in his sport.
The American insists cheating exists and he's sticking to his story."In tennis i'm sure there are
guys who are doing it,and getting away with it,and getting ahead of the testers,"he told USA today.
But i am also realistic with this much money involved,1.9million for the winner of the US open,
people will try to find a way to get ahead.
Blake has an unlikely ally in the Frenchman Yannick Noah.The now famed entertainer has long
suspected tennis doping."I understand that many people are trying to play nice but are paying
dearly for it."said Noah,who casts a wary eye on Spanish sportsmen.
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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #88 on: October 31, 2012, 01:47 AM »
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Now I wonder which Spanish sportsmen Noah has in mind ...  Nadal was an obvious suspect at one time because of his bulging muscles at a fairly young age, but I seem to recall him saying that he must have been one of the most tested players ever because of it.  Ferrer has boundless energy, which is why he's known as the Duracell Bunny, and I'm sure that's frequently brought him to the attention of the dope-testers as well.

The truth is that it's possible to bulk up muscles through exercise alone and it's been said that Nadal has suffered some of his injury problems simply because he did this before his body was physically able to cope.  As for Ferrer - there are people who seem to naturally have energy plus (wish I was one of them!).

Unfortunately dope-cheating exists in many sports, so why should tennis be exempt?  Drug-taking in cycling has been known about for decades and, until dope-testing was enforced more stringently recently, athletics was riddled with drug-cheats.  Probably a lot of you are too young to remember the dreadful training programmes during the 1970s and 80s female athletes in what was then East Germany were forced to go through, where they were fed what they were told were "vitamin pills" but were in fact PEDs, with the result that many of them are now suffering serious health problems as a result of steroid abuse.

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Re: Doping in Tennis ? « Reply #89 on: October 31, 2012, 01:52 AM »
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This is Andy's thoughts on the doping situation,for anyone interested:

The Lance Armstrong scandal continues to rip through cycling but with so much money on offer in other sports, doping is an issue for everyone. Andy Murray has been critical of the testing process in the past but on Monday, he told a small group of reporters how the Armstrong scandal has affected his understanding of drugs and called for more blood testing, more out of competition testing and the strict enforcement of bans for cheats.

http://www.thetennisspace.com/andy-murray-we-need-more-blood-tests-in-tennis/

Thanks for posting that dani.  A very interesting read.  It's long been known that Andy has zero tolerance to drug-taking in any sport, not just tennis.
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