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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #75 on: December 01, 2011, 02:23 PM »
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I am really am surprised that we have to keep scolling through the posts so that we have to miss ak400's avatar of Fed and I must admitt that as soon as I see it I pass onto the next post as I don't want to read anything this individual has to say. If the moderators feel it is alright to have this individual on this forum, may I suggest you give ak400 a page on his own so that those of us feel there is nothing this individual has to write that we want read can justn miss out the page, and those who want to read it can.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #76 on: December 01, 2011, 02:25 PM »
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I am really am surprised that we have to keep scolling through the posts so that we have to miss ak400's avatar of Fed and I must admitt that as soon as I see it I pass onto the next post as I don't want to read anything this individual has to say. If the moderators feel it is alright to have this individual on this forum, may I suggest you give ak400 a page on his own so that those of us feel there is nothing this individual has to write that we want read can justn miss out the page, and those who want to read it can.
  Well said Michelle,this guy has no business being on a site that is all For Andy.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #77 on: December 01, 2011, 04:32 PM »
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"Roddick is your today’s Ferrer at best; the only difference is, Ferrer didn’t have the luck to have a transition year like 2003"

Don't quite agree with this part though, ferrer is a much better player than Roddick everywhere except grass & deserves his Number 5 placing in a much stronger (although not fully matured thanks to Andy) era.
But i think Tsonga might take it from him or maybe Del Potro next year.

I don’t like Roddick at all and I wish things were the other way around, but results-wise, Roddick is far ahead of Ferrer. They are of same age (29) yet Roddick has achieved so much more than Ferrer even with his one dimensional game. Roddick has a big weapon – his serve - whereas Ferrer has none. They are both pretty consistent. Roddick has 30 titles so far as opposed to Ferrer’s only 11. Roddick has 1 slam to his credit and 3 Wimbledon finals (lost all 3 to Federer), 4 semi appearances at AO – reached qtr one time at RG. Ferrer has yet to make a final – not even at RG – quite ironic, especially if you consider the fact that, clay happens to be his best surface. His best Grand Slam effort is AO semi last year. Roddick has 5 Masters so far to his credit and has won a few minor clay titles as well along with hard, grass and indoors. Not to shabby for a one dimensional player like him. The only argument that would go against him is the fact that, he too benefitted from a weak era and his best year to date is 2003. So, as you can see, as much as I dislike like Roddick, his records are superior to that of Ferrer’s. I don’t suppose Ferrer will accomplish as much as Roddick in the future but yes, given the current crop right now, Ferrer definitely deserves his ranking though, I don’t think he has the ability to beat any of the top four to win a title however insignificant; Tsonga unfortunately falls in the same category. As beautiful as he is to watch, he’s unable to capture the big moments from the big guys. That’s not to say though he’ll never do it but that hasn’t done anything truly significant yet. Nole, Nadal, Andy & Federer are all a few notches above these players. The gap between the top four and rest of the field is quite significant.

I agree – Tsonga and Ferrer may switch places next though their results have been pretty similar this year; however, I’d say Tsonga is slightly ahead as he has that big win over Federer at Wimbledon – something to be very proud of. Tsonga’s won 2 titles this year and lost 4 finals to Murray, Federer and Soderling but still, that’s a very good result. Ferrer has also won 2 titles and lost 4 finals. They have both lost all the big tournaments to the big players basically.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #78 on: December 01, 2011, 04:53 PM »
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This is the 'Tennis Talk' section of the website.

I agree that this more like a general tennis talk section and it would be nice to have different opinions about different players. Posters of different players should feel welcome as long as they respect Andy, given that it's Andy Murray forum first, and his fans. ak400 hasn't disrespected anyone in that sense; however, he's implied several times that Andy is just not good enough or that not a factor in the big scheme of things. Even if it's true, it's basically trolling given the premise of the forum but more importantly, he has posted the same thing over to Andy's section especially during the Andy/Ferrer match at 02 and has upset quite a few fans. I don't think anyone wants to hear that Ferrer was going to take it in 3 when the emotion was running high for the fans and the importance of the event. He then went on to brag about Ferrer's win on that very thread. That ticked even me off. lol. He's harmless otherwise I'd say and if he wasn't such a troll, I'd probably have given him more respect but he's just a messenger and a troll so far.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #79 on: December 01, 2011, 05:28 PM »
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Sure Noted Emma,
I suppose I meant right now and the kind of peaking or optimisation ferrer is now achieving which is impressive,
but overall of-course you are correct.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #80 on: December 01, 2011, 05:33 PM »
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I think you will find that Andy Murray is a tennis player so this is therefore a tennis forum!

This thread is about the most prolific Grand Slam champion in history, it is not about the Scottish number 1

Aha so he is Scottish number 1 and not British eh? Ya wee racist.  Rolling Eyes
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #81 on: December 01, 2011, 05:53 PM »
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Re ak400,
The type of behaviour exhibited by this person smacks of insecurity I think. Maybe he feels that Andy shall dare to threaten Roger more and more going on (I suspect Roger does also), I personally think its inevitable that he will if Roger decides to continue much longer. I mean, why try & convince us of Roger's alleged `greatness`. Why should he care?
If he's here purely to gloat & be arrogant well I'm sorry but this is the sign of someone who is troubled & has quite serious behavioural problems.
Either way it is an odd situation.
But I'll give him props (although he may just be a little mad) & say it takes stones to come on here & behave in the manner that he has so far!
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #82 on: December 01, 2011, 09:58 PM »
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To play devil's advocate... the person also known as ak400  was redirected from the Ferrer thread to post on this particular thread by Grabcopy (apologies if I'm wrong, Grabcopy!)
A healthy debate is just that... healthy.  Just so long as it is respectful to Andy and to everyone else who posts and reads here.

At the height of the high tension and passion after the match, I quoted the following, written by Robert Louis Stevenson.  Maybe it will get noticed now.

“All speech, written or spoken, is a dead language, until it finds a willing and prepared hearer.”
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #83 on: December 01, 2011, 10:48 PM »
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I noticed it at the time Scotnadian - just didn't comment on it - so true.    Personally I don't think what AK400 says is of any importance and is best ignored.   I am not a willing or prepared hearer.      Rolling Eyes
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #84 on: December 03, 2011, 12:40 PM »
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Anyone been over there? 

Tell Roger you love him in your language roflmao  yuk

You should check out the describe Roger in one word pages - 139 of them!  I don't know if anyone already used it but I said smug devil

Someone said humble lmao  Stop! 

And yes, it' has a Rolex clock on there, Basel time and your time.  Bless.

Ak400, are you on Roger's forum?
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #85 on: January 14, 2012, 08:36 PM »
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The thought just occurred to me, surely the GOAT (or of the modern era) is Martina Navratilova?  Who said that it had to be a man?  Navratilova won 18 Grand Slam singles titles, 31 Grand Slam women's doubles titles (an all-time record), and 10 Grand Slam mixed doubles titles.  Just putting it out there dontknow  Anyway, she would get my vote, over Fedex cmon yeah 
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #86 on: January 14, 2012, 09:05 PM »
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Or Steffi maybe?
Although she was helped in that respect by the attack on Seles so I'd still give it to Martina.
But if we go purely on slam counts then I suppose we fall into a Fed fan mentality, you also have to look at how they won their slams, the players they were up against etc it's too superficial to say oh Federer won 16 slams so he's the greatest player of all time as many of them were won in a very weak era, perhaps the weakest in the open era.
Steffis and Martinas overlapped and together were surely one of the strongest in women's tennis ever.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #87 on: January 14, 2012, 11:05 PM »
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The thought just occurred to me, surely the GOAT (or of the modern era) is Martina Navratilova?  Who said that it had to be a man?  Navratilova won 18 Grand Slam singles titles, 31 Grand Slam women's doubles titles (an all-time record), and 10 Grand Slam mixed doubles titles.  Just putting it out there dontknow  Anyway, she would get my vote, over Fedex cmon yeah 

We don't tend to the WTA on here, Bev. I'd give the GOATESS to Steffi, though, cos she was more of an all-round player - her 22(?) slams were spread quite evenly across the four slams. Martina won only two French.
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #88 on: January 15, 2012, 12:23 AM »
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Gosh, I stand corrected!  I never realised Steffi won so many singles titles in grand slams - such a lovely player - on and off court.

In 1988, she became the first and only tennis player (male or female) to achieve the Calendar Year Golden Slam by winning all four Grand Slam singles titles and the Olympic gold medal in the same calendar year.

Then again, I never realised Margaret Court won 24 Think

I take your point about not doing WTA on here Nigel but let's judge across the board Very Happy
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Re: Federer is not the GOAT. Discuss. « Reply #89 on: January 15, 2012, 08:21 AM »
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No male, no matter how good they are, will ever have 10 seasons winning 90% of there matches like Graf did.

WTA numbers mean about as much as male numbers did in the Laver era, the competition wasn't deep enough so physical wear and tear mattered so much less than it does now on both sides.
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