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French Open - The Other Players

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^ Thanks Gnome

Friggin heck Rafa has rinsed just about every point possible on clay!!! It will take a miracle for him not to finish yr world no 1. Andy sure needs a good summer!
Hopefully Stan ends year Swiss no 1 Very Happy

I still think the USO hard court swing is going to be important this year. I can't see Nadal keeping it going then.
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As an example, Andy's current race to London points breakdown

Grand Slams
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Australian Open 1,200

Roland Garros 0

Masters 1000
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Miami 1,000
Indian Wells 180
Madrid 180
Monte Carlo 90
Rome 10

 
Best of Other Countable Tournaments
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Brisbane 250


Total 2910
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Andy is nowhere near qualified yet.
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Andy is nowhere near qualified yet.

No, it was me having a brain freeze and misunderstanding quite how it works.
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I may be wrong but I thought slam winners got a place (which is why Marray and Neilsen played in the dubs at the O2 last year) in which case Djokovic is also qualifed.
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I may be wrong but I thought slam winners got a place (which is why Marray and Neilsen played in the dubs at the O2 last year) in which case Djokovic is also qualifed.

You called it correct, you are indeed wrong Smile well the Djokovic part anyway. The doubles you are half correct, doubles teams who win slams have to finish in the top 20 for the year aswell, which they did.
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I may be wrong but I thought slam winners got a place (which is why Marray and Neilsen played in the dubs at the O2 last year) in which case Djokovic is also qualifed.
No you're not wrong, actually.

I read the atp rules for qualification, top 7 entrants is based on ranking, 8th entrant = 1st option highest  ranked 8-20 who has won a slam within the year, if no slam winners between 8-20, just gos to highest ranked.
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No you're not wrong, actually.

I read the atp rules for qualification, top 7 entrants is based on ranking, 8th entrant = 1st option highest  ranked 8-20 who has won a slam within the year, if no slam winners between 8-20, just gos to highest ranked.

That is not the part that is incorrect, Djokovic will qualify for the year end finals not because he has won a slam, i doubt he will slip outside the top 8 to even be an issue, but he has not yet officially qualified.
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The race To London differ from the ATP Rankings, which at any given moment rank players according to points earned during the immediate past 52 weeks. So for instance Nadal just earned 2000 for winning the French.
They end up the same. Rafa has more in the Race (and this is very rare, one-off scenario) because his ATP ranking includes 0 points from mandatory tournaments he missed last year. Once they are out of the way his Race ranking will be equal to his ATP ranking, as he is defending nothing from after Wimbledon.

The ATP rankings become the Race rankings after Paris.
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Andy is nowhere near qualified yet.
Reaching the Wimbledon final would all but guarantee qualification. There won't be 9 players reaching 4000 points.
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Reaching the Wimbledon final would all but guarantee qualification. There won't be 9 players reaching 4000 points.

Funnily enough I was just re-reading this and was about to ask if reaching the Wimbles final or winning it, would be enough for Andy to qualify. TMH you're psychic lol.
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Funnily enough I was just re-reading this and was about to ask if reaching the Wimbles final or winning it, would be enough for Andy to qualify. TMH you're psychic lol.
There's not really anything to worry about RE Murray's qualification short of missing a large chunk of the season through injury. Regularly going deep in Slams and Masters is more than enough. By reaching a Slam final and winning a Masters Murray is already more than halfway to qualifying.

Put it this way - for Andy not to qualify, that would mean he would end the year outside the top 8. Realistically never going to happen (any time soon).
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There's not really anything to worry about RE Murray's qualification short of missing a large chunk of the season through injury. Regularly going deep in Slams and Masters is more than enough. By reaching a Slam final and winning a Masters Murray is already more than halfway to qualifying.

Put it this way - for Andy not to qualify, that would mean he would end the year outside the top 8. Realistically never going to happen (any time soon).

No, I agree. I just tend to lose track of exactly what they need to do to qualify. It all gets a bit confusing for my little brain lol. Anything to do with numbers confuses me, which is ridiculous.

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Think of it in terms of what it actually is, a race, The race to London is basically live points for the year, Rafa has 7000 points as this is what he has earned since he came back in February. If Andy wins Wimbledon, he will get 2000 points towards his race to London total as opposed to earning 800 points towards his ranking compared to what he got last year which was 1200 for reaching the final.

The WTF qualification cut is currently 6775 points, which is why Rafa has already qualified with 7000 points, this of course will go down as calculations are based on projections of maxmimum points that could be earned, expect the cut to drop down to a much lower figure.
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The race page of the live rankings site updates the cut-off as the season progresses

http://live-tennis.eu/race
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