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Re: General rankings « Reply #15 on: January 09, 2008, 01:24 AM »
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In the latest ATP rankings, JC Ferrero is ranked at 24, but if you look at his ranking points breakdown you'll see he should have 15 points extra (his 5th best tourney wasn't counted, they counted a tournament where he lost in the first round instead...), which would make him rise a place to 23! Anyone ever seen such mistakes before?
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Re: General rankings « Reply #16 on: August 30, 2008, 12:42 PM »
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Anyone ever seen such mistakes before?
Ooo... the knowledge that we've gain since that post. lol


Anyone noticed that that the ATP have put a 'Drop Date' column of the players rankings breakdowns.
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Re: General rankings « Reply #17 on: September 04, 2008, 05:47 PM »
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Has anyone seen anything about how they're going to do the transfer from the current points system to the new one? The easiest way to do it is probably to apply the new points system to the past year from the start of 2009. (It can't be left as it is, because then the rankings will be weighted heavily in favour of players who do well at the start of the coming year.)
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Re: General rankings « Reply #18 on: September 04, 2008, 09:54 PM »
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The would make a whole lot of sense.  It would be pretty dumb to keep points the same and only change once 2009 starts.  It wouldn't give a true reflection of the rankings as players would be able to jump places quite easily.


Updated Yamor, happy? lol
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Re: General rankings « Reply #19 on: September 04, 2008, 10:00 PM »
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What do you mean by 'first part'?
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Re: General rankings « Reply #20 on: October 15, 2008, 07:30 PM »
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Just noticed that someone at the ATP thinks David Ferrer played Spain F37 futures and put it in his rankings breakdown. roflmao
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Re: General rankings « Reply #21 on: October 16, 2008, 06:00 PM »
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http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/sharkbites10.asp

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Would it be possible for you to explain how the transition from the old to the new points system is going to work? Will all the points at the end of this season be calculated on the new format? Also, what points will be awarded for the different stages of each tournament. Would a Grand slam, for example, be 2000 for the winner, 1750 for the runner-up, 1500 for the semis etc. In other words, increments of 250.
- Meg Millard, Johannesburg, South Africa
At the end of the 2008 season, the points a player has earned in his ranking will be doubled. Starting in 2009, the new ranking structure will be in place with new points structure and new ranking formula. Here is a tournament point breakdown for the different classifications from the quarterfinals-on:
Grand Slam: 2000 (Winner), 1200 (Runner-up), 720 (SF), 360 (QF)
Masters 1000: 1000 (Winner), 600 (Runner-up) 360 (SF), 180 (QF)
ATP 500: 500 (Winner), 300 (Runner-up), 180 (SF), 90 (QF)
ATP 250: 250 (Winner), 150 (Runner-up), 90 (SF), 45 (QF)


Pretty big difference between winning a GS and coming Runner-up Think
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Re: General rankings « Reply #22 on: October 16, 2008, 06:15 PM »
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Hmmm, I don't think it should be changed but it's an easy to follow system. Smile
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Re: General rankings « Reply #23 on: October 16, 2008, 06:30 PM »
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More emphasis on the winner or a tournament having a bigger points advantage then..... interesting.....
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Re: General rankings « Reply #24 on: October 17, 2008, 10:00 PM »
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More emphasis on the winner or a tournament having a bigger points advantage then..... interesting.....

As I read it, what's even more interesting is that in 2009 results gained in 2008 but in the last 52 weeks will carry more weight than results gained in 2009.

For example, Andy's 2008 Wimbledon QF will be worth 500 points whereas a QF at the Aussie Open in 2009 will be worth only 360...
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Re: General rankings « Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 12:32 PM »
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They should just convert the points to the equivelant. That would make so much more sense!
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Re: General rankings « Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 02:39 PM »
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They should just convert the points to the equivelant. That would make so much more sense!


Absolutely - this seems overly complicated...
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Re: General rankings « Reply #27 on: October 20, 2008, 10:58 PM »
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Except for the fact that that could change someone's rankings as a result of the conversion. Hardly fair is it. Hence the doubling system. That way, you lose the points when the tournaments rolls around and everyone is on a level playing field. If you just convert them directly, it;s possible people could swap places.
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Re: General rankings « Reply #28 on: October 23, 2008, 03:11 AM »
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The way I see it, and it's mostly been mentioned on here and on MTF, there are two possible ways to convert the ranking system. Either to just double all points, or to apply the new ranking system to results from this year.
Each way has a disadvantage:
If you simply double the points, we'll end up with a scenario where, for example half way through next year points from the first 6 months of the ranking period will count for more then for the last 6 months (except for tournament wins) - this is very bad, since if anything, it should be the opposite (newer results should count more)!
If you apply the new method to old results the problem is that the rankings will change for absolutely no reason from one day to the next when the system gets changed (presumably the first Monday in January).

I'd have thought the second way was better, since, although the rankings would change for no apparent reason, at least the rankings at all times are a fair reflection of the results in the last 12 months, just the method has changed (everyone would agree that rankings is a very subjective thing, and no single method can be definitive, so it can make sense for rankings to change when using a new method). However with the other method of simply doubling points, we will end up with false rankings, which have absolutely no reason to them, favoring players like Murray and Del Potro over someone like Djokovic for the next year.
So, all in all I'm not so happy with the way the ATP are doing it. I'm anyway not so happy they're changing it at all - I think it's good as it is.
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Re: General rankings « Reply #29 on: October 23, 2008, 01:27 PM »
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I agree with that. It's better to be consistant over a 12 month period and have a few rankings change for no reason than to have a final at this years USO worth more than a final at Australia come March.
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