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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #30 on: January 09, 2012, 09:51 AM »
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American players just seem to be turned into serving machines, to the detriment of the rest of their game. You've gotta ask why Shrug

The serve won Sampras 14 slams. Had no game otherwise. #mostunwatchableplayerever
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #31 on: January 09, 2012, 09:55 AM »
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Ah, you've answered my question alas, but Sampras was the exception.... I hope. I lost interest in tennis completely while he was king pin. In fact my abiding memory of him is when Fed beat him at Wimbledon weights
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #32 on: January 09, 2012, 09:57 AM »
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The serve won Sampras 14 slams. Had no game otherwise. #mostunwatchableplayerever

That is where you are wrong, he was an amazing serve and volleyer, and people forget what a good baseliner he was apart from Agassi he could beat anyone in his era from the baseline too.

It was only in his final years that he started serve and volleying that much more to keep the points shorter by being more attacking, you watch him in the mid 90's and he had every shot in the book and made the game look very easy!
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #33 on: January 09, 2012, 10:09 AM »
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The serve won Sampras 14 slams. Had no game otherwise. #mostunwatchableplayerever
Interesting observation Nigel. I must look up som of his videos and review with my specs on.
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #34 on: January 09, 2012, 10:09 AM »
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That is where you are wrong, he was an amazing serve and volleyer, and people forget what a good baseliner he was apart from Agassi he could beat anyone in his era from the baseline too.

It was only in his final years that he started serve and volleying that much more to keep the points shorter by being more attacking, you watch him in the mid 90's and he had every shot in the book and made the game look very easy!

You're only as good as your clay game, and he got found out on clay. Had no backhand. Also, apart from Agassi, who was in and out of the game, there wasn't much opposition. I reckon much of the 90s was a weak era.

70s to late 80s - strong era
90s to 2006-ish - weak era
06 on - strong era
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #35 on: January 09, 2012, 10:10 AM »
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Interesting observation Nigel. I must look up som of his videos and review with my specs on.

OK, he was good - but only for his time. He wouldn't last a minute in today's era. But his game was just soooooooo dull.
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #36 on: January 09, 2012, 10:14 AM »
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You're only as good as your clay game, and he got found out on clay. Had no backhand. Also, apart from Agassi, who was in and out of the game, there wasn't much opposition. I reckon much of the 90s was a weak era.

70s to late 80s - strong era
90s to 2006-ish - weak era
06 on - strong era
You mean its clay that seperates the men from the boys. Surely no-one player is best (in a given period) on all surfaces?
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #37 on: January 09, 2012, 10:20 AM »
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You're only as good as your clay game, and he got found out on clay. Had no backhand. Also, apart from Agassi, who was in and out of the game, there wasn't much opposition. I reckon much of the 90s was a weak era.

70s to late 80s - strong era
90s to 2006-ish - weak era
06 on - strong era

I strongly disagree, the reason Pete struggled on clay was not because of the slowness of the surface but because of the movement needed for that surface he hadnt played on Clay till he turned pro.

I think Pete played in on eof the strongest eras because he played and dominated so many great champions and was year end number 1 6 years running.

His backhand wasnt his best shot but back then he hit it with a lot of top spin, if you have watched him play today he hits over the ball a lot more and his backhand is actually more effective.

My guess is if he was in his prime playing in today's game he would have adapted and done just fine.
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #38 on: January 09, 2012, 10:20 AM »
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You mean its clay that seperates the men from the boys. Surely no-one player is best (in a given period) on all surfaces?

My take on the surfaces is that, to a degree, you can cover up a weakness on hardcourts, and especially on grass. For example, if you have a thumping forehand but a weak backhand, you can end a point early with a FH drive before your opponent has a chance to expose your weakness.

On clay, all your shots get tested for robustness over and over again and there's no hiding place. It's the ultimate test of a player. And that's not just me saying that. I've heard many pros and coaches say the same thing.
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #39 on: January 09, 2012, 10:22 AM »
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I strongly disagree, the reason Pete struggled on clay was not because of the slowness of the surface but because of the movement needed for that surface he hadnt played on Clay till he turned pro.

I think Pete played in on eof the strongest eras because he played and dominated so many great champions and was year end number 1 6 years running.

His backhand wasnt his best shot but back then he hit it with a lot of top spin, if you have watched him play today he hits over the ball a lot more and his backhand is actually more effective.

My guess is if he was in his prime playing in today's game he would have adapted and done just fine.

Do you just follow whoever happens to be top dog, ak? I reckon you're a Man Utd fan, too...
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #40 on: January 09, 2012, 10:24 AM »
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Do you just follow whoever happens to be top dog, ak? I reckon you're a Man Utd fan, too...

I actually was a fan of Micheal Chang not Sampras, but I have a great amount of respect for Pete and do think he is underated in terms of his place in history IMHO

I actually support Fulham Smile
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #41 on: January 09, 2012, 10:27 AM »
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I actually was a fan of Micheal Chang not Sampras, but I have a great amount of respect for Pete and do think he is underated in terms of his place in history IMHO

I actually support Fulham Smile

I was a big Agassi fan in the 90s, but still concede it was a weak era. Andre wasn't Michael's biggest chum...
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #42 on: January 09, 2012, 11:42 AM »
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I was a big Agassi fan in the 90s, but still concede it was a weak era. Andre wasn't Michael's biggest chum...

Some of the greatest guys of all time played in the 90's so not sure how you can call it a weak era. I think its a mutual thing,  Micheal was not too happy about some of the stuff Andre had to say in his book, he offended quite a lot of his fellow legends!
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #43 on: January 09, 2012, 02:31 PM »
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American players just seem to be turned into serving machines, to the detriment of the rest of their game. You've gotta ask why Shrug
bbh.. Milos is Canadian.  It's a bit like calling a Scottish player English.
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Re: Milos Raonic « Reply #44 on: January 09, 2012, 02:35 PM »
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Wow!... all this talk about Sampras, and no Emma.  Wait 'til she reads this thread! lmao

And speaking of Agassi.. I too was a huge fan, but was really disappointed when I read his book.
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