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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #240 on: July 24, 2013, 05:40 PM »
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Yes, that is correct.

Thanks Gangsta.
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #241 on: July 24, 2013, 06:36 PM »
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Maybe rubbish was an extreme word but


All Andy is saying that, not surprisingly, it wasn't of any benefit to him, not that the diet was 'rubbish' for those who need to follow it.

I had a friend who had full-blown coeliac disease but who was able to enjoy a full and active life so long as she remained on a strict gluten-free diet.  That was 30 years ago, and she was quite restricted as to what she could eat, but things have moved on since then and nowadays there's no shortage of gluten-free food around, including bread and pasta, which should still provide the carbohydrates Novak needs to give him energy.


However although those suffering from an alergy to gluten will benefit from a free gluten free diet, it would not turn a person it to the super fit athlete that Novak now is. He is I fear doing more than that and I'm not sure it is legal. Having paid particular attention to him during the Wimbledon final, despite being moved from side to side and having to run and run during long rallies he didn't seem to be gasping from breath, yet Andy was and as we know he is super fit. Anybody whom has the dvd of the final watch Nole and see what you think.
So far I've only been able to watch highlights of the match, but I'm sure the reason Andy was gasping for breath so much was most likely to be due to feeling tense and nervous, and when that happens your diaphragm tightens up, so breathing becomes shallower.  Novak would probably be nervous too, but at least he didn't have the expectations of a nation resting on his shoulders and nor did he have the spectre of Wimbledon 2012 hanging over him.  Also, despite his Miami training, Andy still isn't comfortable in extremely hot conditions, although he does cope better than he used to.


I'd really find it hard to believe that Djoko is 'on' anything he shouldn't be Michelle! I don't know about the lower ranked players, but I thought the top players got tested a lot....especially during the majors! I know he has his 'pod' thing, but that's not illegal!
My understanding is that the doping authorities have never reached a conclusion about the pod, but having done a little research into the subject, it seems the pod, which in 2011 cost £75,000 (approx £50,000), quite quickly fell into disfavour with athletes because many of them claimed it made no difference to their performance, although there was some evidence to show that it aided recovery time a little, and I see nothing wrong with that.  Anyway, unless Djoko has access to a pod everywhere he goes, he's unlikely to be using it as it's way too big to carry around with him and he'd probably have to book a separate seat for it on the plane!

Some people do have an abundance of natural physical energy (I'm excluding mental, emotional and psychic energy because they have different explanations) which is largely thought to be due to the way our metabolism works, i.e. basically how fast our bodies break down food and convert it into energy.  Maggie Thatcher, for example, was known to thrive on 2/3 hours sleep a night, and if the finger is going to be pointed at tennis players - how do you explain the energetic phenomenon known as David Ferrer? Woops! I forgot, he's Spanish so therefore must be 'on' something. Rolling Eyes





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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #242 on: July 24, 2013, 07:01 PM »
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What gets me is Djokovic obviously thinks his diet works for him, which is fine. However, there is nothing to say that it would definitely work for someone else. There is also a point that for some people, mucking about with their diet could actually be dangerous. Someone with diabetes for example, as my mother was, needs a certain amount of carbohydrates, which includes bread. Cutting certain things out without seeing your doctor first isn't always the right thing to do.
I agree with that TJ.  Nobody should make radical changes to their dietary habits without seeking medical advice first.

I too have diabetes (type 2), and am insulin-dependent, but luckily the main culprit for pushing blood sugar levels up, cane sugar, is something that most of us could do without anyway!  Just think - one can of a fizzy drink contains the equivalent of six teaspoonfuls of sugar.  Sugar makes you feel thirsty, even if you aren't diabetic, so you have another can, and so it goes on.  Soft drinks' manufacturers aren't stupid!!
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #243 on: July 24, 2013, 07:13 PM »
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I agree with that TJ.  Nobody should make radical changes to their dietary habits without seeking medical advice first.

I too have diabetes (type 2), and am insulin-dependent, but luckily the main culprit for pushing blood sugar levels up, cane sugar, is something that most of us could do without anyway!  Just think - one can of a fizzy drink contains the equivalent of six teaspoonfuls of sugar.  Sugar makes you feel thirsty, even if you aren't diabetic, so you have another can, and so it goes on.  Soft drinks' manufacturers aren't stupid!!

Aileen, my mother had type 2 and was insulin dependent. Unfortunately, she didn't manage it very well initially, didn't really grasp the idea that what she ate, even how much she ate (which was never a lot) had a bearing on how the insulin worked. It ended up causing other issues for her, including vascular dementia.

In the end, when she started losing her grip, if I can put it that way, I managed her diabetes, helped a lot by my sister, who is a nurse. We got her blood sugars running at 'normal' levels, but by then the damage was done. It was sad really. It shows how much the condition needs to be properly managed. Unfortunately the specialists weren't much support to Mum, who wasn't in great health even without the diabetes. To be blunt, they didn't care. They cared even less when I was managing it for Mum.

It's quite frightening how many things contain sugar, even things you wouldn't expect.
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #244 on: July 24, 2013, 09:08 PM »
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Aileen, my mother had type 2 and was insulin dependent. Unfortunately, she didn't manage it very well initially, didn't really grasp the idea that what she ate, even how much she ate (which was never a lot) had a bearing on how the insulin worked. It ended up causing other issues for her, including vascular dementia.

In the end, when she started losing her grip, if I can put it that way, I managed her diabetes, helped a lot by my sister, who is a nurse. We got her blood sugars running at 'normal' levels, but by then the damage was done. It was sad really. It shows how much the condition needs to be properly managed. Unfortunately the specialists weren't much support to Mum, who wasn't in great health even without the diabetes. To be blunt, they didn't care. They cared even less when I was managing it for Mum.

It's quite frightening how many things contain sugar, even things you wouldn't expect.
I so very sorry to hear about your mother. hug  That must have been very difficult for you and your sister, even if she is a nurse.  Sadly, despite all the promises about better care for the elderly, I do feel that there are still many health professionals who regard elderly people as a nuisance, and, as you know, there have been a few high profile stories recently about the lack of care and respect shown to these people in hospital to their great detriment and often death.  It's shocking really, and the fact that the main reason people are living much longer now is due to advances in medicine merely proves the irony of it all. 

Fortunately my general health is good, but I do have early signs of diabetic retinopathy, and have neuropathy as well which means that my feet and ankles always feel numb - a sort of tingling sensation like you get when a local anaesthetic starts to wear off.  It can be a bit uncomfortable at times, especially in hot weather, but I've learnt to live with it.

I agree with the sugar too.  I tend to look at labels fairly carefully and it is worrying just how much there is around.  Just looking at one right now on a tin of baked beans, I see that it contains 5.9g (equivalent to one teaspoonful) of sugar per 100g.  Of course it's to counteract the slightly acid taste of the tomato sauce, and I was aware of it, but how many people are?  Basically just about everything that has tomato sauce in it contains sugar, something you wouldn't expect to find in something savoury.

 
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #245 on: July 25, 2013, 08:33 AM »
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Someone correct me if this is wrong, but I think they are all tested (urine samples I think) after every match, win or lose, in the majors. Is that right?

I don't know about the pod thing. Thanks to someone here, I did some reading about it. First and foremost, I don't think it's clear Novak is still using it. I think I might have read that he isn't. However, legal or not, it's a dodgy area. To my mind there is/was an issue of a possible unfair advantage.
Well as I said after Wimbledon, he'll probably ask for his money back!   w00t  Can't see how the pod could be an 'unfair advantage' though, when it's available to everyone! Well......everyone who can afford it anyway!  Whistle
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #246 on: July 25, 2013, 09:46 PM »
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Well as I said after Wimbledon, he'll probably ask for his money back!   w00t  Can't see how the pod could be an 'unfair advantage' though, when it's available to everyone! Well......everyone who can afford it anyway!  Whistle
I don't believe that Djoko ever bought a pod.  He said he tried one out twice before the 2011 USO and wasn't 100% convinced about its effectiveness.
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #247 on: July 26, 2013, 11:14 AM »
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Well, he would say that Aileen. He was 'very' embarrassed when the media got hold of it, so it's difficult to know what to believe! According to some reports, he was using it all through 2011 and I saw one that said he used it as far back as 2010, but you can't believe everything in the media either! He didn't buy one though......it belongs to a friend, but I'd be surprised if he only used it twice! Re it's effectivness.....Apparently it works better if you really believe in it, so I doubt he'll use it again! I suspect he's probably 'lost the faith'!   Whistle
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #248 on: July 31, 2013, 01:19 PM »
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Djokovic talks about his diet in this article (extracts from his book):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324354704578638142604610644.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #249 on: July 31, 2013, 09:04 PM »
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Djokovic talks about his diet in this article (extracts from his book):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324354704578638142604610644.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet
That's a very interesting article.  Thanks Katie.

I can't see Nadal being too pleased though about being called "a ball of nervous tics and superstitious rituals"!
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #250 on: August 01, 2013, 09:47 AM »
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That's a very interesting article.  Thanks Katie.

I can't see Nadal being too pleased though about being called "a ball of nervous tics and superstitious rituals"!

I bet he won't be - though that description does fit him perfectly!

I found the article interesting too, especially as Djokovic has been so tight-lipped about his new diet up to now. I'd love to know what he eats under the towel during matches but I don't suppose that'll be in the book.
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #251 on: August 01, 2013, 09:59 AM »
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Apparently Nole is recommending licorice drinks vomit
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #252 on: August 01, 2013, 10:03 AM »
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LOL Nole owned OCDull
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #253 on: August 01, 2013, 11:02 AM »
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Apparently Nole is recommending licorice drinks vomit

Well at least he'll never be constipated......

That description of Nadal might be a bit unkind, but it's apt. It also adds to my belief that there is no way in a million years that those two get on.

Really could have done without knowing what colour he likes his pee to be. Far too much information Smile.
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Re: Novak Djokovic « Reply #254 on: August 27, 2013, 06:56 PM »
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Djokovic is so dedicated to his diet that when he craved chocolate after his win, he ate only one square and left the rest.

The world's number one tennis player this month released a book in which he thoroughly details the extreme sacrifices he makes in pursuit of physical excellence.



Djokovic's diet:

Day One

Breakfast: Water first thing out of bed; two tablespoons of honey; muesli (including organic gluten-free rolled oats, cranberries, raisins, pumpkin or sunflower seeds and almonds)

Mid-morning snack (if needed): Gluten-free bread or crackers with avocado and tuna

Lunch: Mixed-greens salad, gluten-free pasta primavera (including rice pasta, summer squash, courgettes, asparagus, sun-dried tomatoes and optional vegan cheese)

Mid-afternoon snack: Apple with cashew butter; melon

Dinner: Kale caesar salad (kale, fennel, quinoa and pine nuts) plus dressing (including anchovies or sardines); minestrone soup; salmon fillets (skin on) with roasted tomatoes and marinade

Day Two

Breakfast: Water first thing out of bed; two tablespoons of honey; banana with cashew butter; fruit

Mid-morning snack (if needed): Gluten-free toast with almond butter and honey

Lunch: Mixed-greens salad, spicy soba noodle salad (including gluten-free soba noodles, red bell pepper, rocket, cashews and basil leaves, plus spicy vinaigrette)

Mid-afternoon snack: Fruit and nut bar; fruit

Dinner: Tuna niçoise salad (green beans, cannellini beans, rocket, tuna, red pepper, tomatoes and canned chickpeas), tomato soup, roasted tomatoes

Day three

Breakfast: Water first thing out of bed; two tablespoons of honey; gluten-free oats with cashew butter and bananas; fruit

Mid-morning snack (if needed): Home-made hummus (including chickpeas and gluten-free soy sauce) with apples/crudités

Lunch: Mixed-greens salad, gluten-free pasta with power pesto (including rice pasta, walnuts and basil leaves)

Mid-afternoon snack: Avocado with gluten-free crackers; fruit

Dinner: Fresh mixed-greens salad with avocado and homemade dressing; carrot and ginger soup; whole lemon-roasted chicken
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