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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3405 on: October 08, 2013, 07:24 PM »
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If this allows his body to produce human growth hormone why is it allowed. It has been noted previously that he was pretty muscular but did not work out in the gym. I would say that this is not alright other players have done it the traditional way HARD WORK it does not seem right that this is allowed.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3406 on: October 08, 2013, 07:37 PM »
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If this allows his body to produce human growth hormone why is it allowed. It has been noted previously that he was pretty muscular but did not work out in the gym. I would say that this is not alright other players have done it the traditional way HARD WORK it does not seem right that this is allowed.

Nadal has worked very hard to be where he was at in the first place? The purpose of this post escapes me to be frank.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3407 on: October 08, 2013, 08:06 PM »
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That may be so Gangsta, but he's still a cheat!

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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3408 on: October 08, 2013, 10:36 PM »
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2013/10/08/rafael-nadal-tennis-politics/2942341/

Man mind thyself Rafa! Hardcourts are tough on players bodies but why should they switch to clay to suit you? How about if players asked for more grass courts to save their bodies! Would you still want to ditch all the hardcourts?
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3409 on: October 08, 2013, 11:54 PM »
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I'm a wee bit curious as to how something that creates a performing enhancing growth hormone can be legal if you aren't allowed to take one any other way. A bit like Bill 'I didn't inhale' Clinton.

"He always used it with the knowledge of WADA/ATP/ITF - you have to let them know you're using it under a therapeutic use exemption. Studies show it has no performance enhancing effect - the spike in human growth hormone (which is naturally generated) is shortlived and limited and is again part of the regenerative process for healing the injured area. This is a treatment for injury that lots of athletes with tendon problems have used. Not something banned or secretive. Lots of soccer players, basketball players (Kobe Bryant etc.), Tiger Woods - all have used it."
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3410 on: October 09, 2013, 07:50 AM »
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Ta Prod - I wasnt having a dig at Rafa, I was genuinely curious.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3411 on: October 09, 2013, 07:58 AM »
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I was intrigued myself how he was getting away using it.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3412 on: October 09, 2013, 03:09 PM »
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I know that HGH is used by athletes to bulk up so it can be used for that purpose. How do you know that Nadal is not using it for that purpose. He could use it when not playing or during his long injury breaks. It is used by bodybuilders to bulk up muscle and is used regularly for that purpose. If he is using it for that purpose it should be banned.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3413 on: February 02, 2014, 05:21 PM »
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interesting article on when mto's are supposed to be taken and when nadal takes them

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Tennis: Time out on medical breaks

By Michael Burgess @mikeburgess99
2:10 PM Sunday Feb 2, 2014


Rafa Nadal is already a great and may in a few years be classed the best to ever wield a tennis racquet - but the Spaniard has shown a continuing disregard for tennis etiquette which may eventually prompt a change in the rules of the sport.

Last Sunday's Australian Open final against Stanislas Wawrinka, where Nadal was hampered by a back injury, was an unfortunate climax to a brilliant tournament.

There is no disputing that the 27-year-old was injured but the timing of his call for medical attention was again controversial.

In tennis, you're supposed to call for a medical time-out ahead of your own serve, rather than before your opponent's attempt to hold serve - especially in bigger matches where the wait and subsequent cool-down of muscles and mind can dramatically disrupt the rhythm.

It's an unwritten rule but usually adhered to, especially at the top level. But Nadal called for the trainer immediately after being broken in the second set against Wawrinka. He was clearly injured but it often happens when he's struggling on the scoreboard; in the vast majority of his grand slam losses, dating back to the 2007 Wimbledon final against Roger Federer, Nadal has taken a medical time-out directly before his opponents' serve. On other occasions, a medical time-out has seemed to change the course of a match in Nadal's favour.

In 2010 at Wimbledon, Nadal was in serious trouble against Philipp Petzschner in the third round, trailing two sets to one and down a break in the fourth set when he called for the trainer for treatment on his knee. After the break, Nadal broke the German's serve (Petzschner seemed to be clearly rattled) and stopped his momentum, eventually winning the match in five sets.

"I don't know, maybe he had something [an injury]," said Petzschner after the match. "Maybe it was just a clever part to take a time-out there. I don't know."

There were also famous occurrences against Federer in finals in 2008. In Monte Carlo, the Swiss was leading in the first set when Nadal sent for medical attention. When the treatment was finished, Nadal stormed back to win the set and the match. In Hamburg the same season, Nadal called play to a halt (due to a thigh injury) just before Federer was to serve for the set. When the game restarted, Federer was broken and he eventually lost the match.

The issue really came to the fore at last year's Australian Open, after Victoria Azarenka's semifinal victory over Sloane Stephens. Azarenka served for the match at 5-3 but blew five match points with a series of nervous shots and was eventually broken. Just before Stephens was about to serve to stay in the match, Azarenka called for the doctor and spent 10 minutes off the court. She seemed to regroup mentally, while Stephens sat waiting courtside, and then broke the American to progress to the final.

Asked about the time-out after the match, she admitted to almost doing "the choke of the year" and feeling a little bit "overwhelmed" as "nerves got into her". She later said, as vitriol flowed about this perceived gamesmanship, that she was having trouble breathing and felt constricted in her chest.

Currently Nadal and Azarenka are doing nothing wrong, according to the rules of tennis, and it is part of gamesmanship to do everything possible to unsettle an opponent. It is also difficult to criticise Nadal too much. He does have a fragile body and plays an extraordinary number of matches, so injuries and niggles are inevitable. He is probably the toughest mentally on the circuit and handles physical and mental adversity better than anyone.

But something needs to change. One commentator has suggested rules to ensure players can take injury time-outs only before their own service games. If they want a time-out before an opponent is about to serve, they should immediately forfeit that game. It's worth considering.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3414 on: February 02, 2014, 05:30 PM »
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I couldn't agree more with the last paragraph.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3415 on: February 02, 2014, 06:22 PM »
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I couldn't agree more with the last paragraph.
Same.  If these injury time outs are genuine and not aimed at gamesmanship, then those like Nadal should be glad to follow set rules about how and when they can and can't be taken.  If they're not so genuine, then their credibility comes into question and they have no-one to blame but themselves for that.  Sport should be about 'fairness' and respect for your opponent - not about what I can do to upset an opponent in order to win.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3416 on: February 02, 2014, 06:27 PM »
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Sport should be about 'fairness' and respect for your opponent - not about what I can do to upset an opponent in order to win.

i know. i actually found it weird how the writer of the article was almost apologizing for rafa and saying "it's part of gamesmanship to do everything possible to unsettle an opponent" as though this somehow makes it okay? forgivable? not sure what he was implying.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3417 on: February 02, 2014, 06:29 PM »
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i know. i actually found it weird how the writer of the article was almost apologizing for rafa and saying "it's part of gamesmanship to do everything possible to unsettle an opponent" as though this somehow makes it okay? forgivable? not sure what he was implying.
Dunno?  All I can say is that it would be a very hollow victory for me, personally, if I thought I'd contrived a situation to keep an opponent on the backfoot.  However, maybe I'm just a bit naive?  Shrug
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3418 on: February 02, 2014, 07:20 PM »
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yeah, who knows how comfortable players feel about these sorts of things. i'm glad nole stopped all those antics after 2010 but then his could be traced to the gluten thing. and maybe rafa really did, in all those cases, have an injury or a sore spot but the point is that the mto's are called at a possibly "unsporting" time.

i do hope, like alis said, that they just change the rule and then this problem would be solved. and if a player must call a mto prior to the opponent's serve then he or she has to lose a game. end of.
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Re: Rafael Nadal « Reply #3419 on: February 02, 2014, 10:57 PM »
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Didn't Novak have a mto before Andy served for the match in the final of the USO open?
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