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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #780 on: June 11, 2012, 03:33 PM »
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Indeed whatever. I mean Nole had played two back to back 5 set matches where he came back in both and the rain didn't delay anthing as there was none. Besides, Nole's draw was much tougher than Nadal's. Nadal played a bunch of dirt ballers who pretty much gave up even before it started, whereas both Seppi and Tsogna really took it to Nole and Federe is now slouch on the couch, yet Nole handled him in straight. But that doesn’t baffle me. What baffles me is that some Murray fans have absolutely idea as to what is best for Andy.


Me too. Perhaps they want to be the filler in a nadal/tintin (?) sandwich and this jars their ability to reason adequately.
But make no mistake, Nadal is enemy No 1 and has been in Andy's way for most of his slam career.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #781 on: June 11, 2012, 05:04 PM »
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Or Andy, like Novak has done spectacularly the last 18 months, could actually taking the initiative & start actually beating Nadal as well. Its not unthinkable he was at 2 all per year for a few a while back. Nadal has little potential now unlike Murray its all about his legacy but i highly doubt he will be knocking off the channel slams with ease ever again.
If he does lose the FO and Wimbledon next year i think
he just might pack it in. Either way in fact as he will have little else to aim for on the clay & might want to keep his body/health intact.
We'll see, but I doubt he will be around for much longer and might even retire before Roger going out on a high rather than a wimper.
Novak shall not have the weight of history bearing down on him next year in the same way as this one.

I definitely see Nadal retiring before Federer. Mind you, while Federer has yet to win a Slam since 2010, Nadal has yet to win anything outside clay season since 2011, so they are pretty much on the same boat though Nadal hasn't stopped winning RG yet, but I believe he's now at close out phase. Nadal is a clay specialist first so it's only natural that he's still winning clay tournaments. As to other tourneys outside clay, he will have to rely on the off chance just like Federer.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #782 on: June 11, 2012, 05:14 PM »
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Me too. Perhaps they want to be the filler in a nadal/tintin (?) sandwich and this jars their ability to reason adequately.
But make no mistake, Nadal is enemy No 1 and has been in Andy's way for most of his slam career.

Yes, he is indeed our No. 1 enemy. Just last year he stopped Andy 3 times in Slams. He's also in Andy's head. I don't like the friendship at all. I personally don't think Andy has anything to benefit from it. Besides, he worships him a bit much which is not at all ideal in a competitive sports like tennis.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #783 on: June 11, 2012, 05:28 PM »
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Great sportsmanship from Nole. Even though he lost, he's the one leaning towards Nadal. You can tell a lot from it. Nadal is not as complimentary when he loses to Nole.
 
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #784 on: June 11, 2012, 05:31 PM »
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Yes, he is indeed our No. 1 enemy. Just last year he stopped Andy 3 times in Slams. He's also in Andy's head. I don't like the friendship at all. I personally don't think Andy has anything to benefit from it. Besides, he worships him a bit much which is not at all ideal in a competitive sports like tennis.

Oh I agree, i've said it here before as well.
Andy is far too cosy with Rafa and it could well have effected his performance in the slams.
You don't see Novak on the playstation with Rafa nor will you.
Andy already seems to have an issue with aggression.
He needs to start thinking about raining on his parade & trying to kill him on the court.

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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #785 on: June 11, 2012, 05:41 PM »
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Nole is a good sportsman. I like him. I imagine his celebrations can be annoying if you're on the losing side, but he's earned that right. He's never a sore loser (at least, not that I've seen - feel free to correct me on situations where he has been) and takes defeat on the chin. Fair play to him.

What annoys me most about him, besides how good he is from a personal point of view, is the ball bouncing thing, which is annoying, be it neutral or personal. But as a character, he comes off as a nice guy. As does Nadal to be fair, off court anyway.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #786 on: June 11, 2012, 05:45 PM »
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Oh I agree, i've said it here before as well.
Andy is far too cosy with Rafa and it could well have effected his performance in the slams.
You don't see Novak on the playstation with Rafa nor will you.
Andy already seems to have an issue with aggression.
He needs to start thinking about raining on his parade & trying to kill him on the court.



I don't drool over their friendship and I don't care for it one way or another. It most certainly doesn't bring out the killer instinct in Andy. Nole knows better and he has his priorities. Andy's mental attitude is what keeping him form winning a Slam. It's absolutely nothing else and it's not just one mental attitude but a few and that's just one of them. I get that he nearly destroyed Rafa in the 3rd set at the Tokyo final just last year, but please, who cares about that? Destroy him where it matters the most – in the Slams. He had the right attitude going on until 2010 but something happened in between. All of a sudden, after those 2 losses to Andy (USO and AO), things are a bit too chummy between them and the next thing you know, Andy is losing to Nadal pretty much everywhere.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #787 on: June 11, 2012, 05:50 PM »
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Nole is a good sportsman. I like him. I imagine his celebrations can be annoying if you're on the losing side, but he's earned that right. He's never a sore loser (at least, not that I've seen - feel free to correct me on situations where he has been) and takes defeat on the chin. Fair play to him.

What annoys me most about him, besides how good he is from a personal point of view, is the ball bouncing thing, which is annoying, be it neutral or personal. But as a character, he comes off as a nice guy. As does Nadal to be fair, off court anyway.

He's ball bouncing is annoying so I'll give you that. Sometimes he just goes on and on to the point you can be almost hypnotized by it. lol. But I think he takes those moments to think but still, that doesn't make it right. I think he should find other ways to think. Anyway, no one's perfect I guess but he does have a very big heart. I've been watching him for so long and never once I've seen him not giving proper credit to his fellow players. Win or loss he tries to give them big hugs if possible. He’s fleshy no doubt but he’s also very sweet. A real human being and there’s nothing more behind the curtain. He is what he is right out front.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #788 on: June 11, 2012, 08:31 PM »
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Must admit I have gone of Rafa. It appears to me that he must win by all costs. I have watched some of his recent matches and he has looked pretty vicious at times as though he wants to hurt his opponent. Yet when he is interviewed you would think butter would not melt in his mouth. I feel he is really driven and tennis is all he is concerned about. He has to become a more rounded person tennis is not the be all and end all. I must admit I was put of by his behaviour in the match last night. He complained about the conditions and this was when Nole was playing well it was obvious he was feeling the pressure. As to his sexaulity that is his business.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #789 on: June 11, 2012, 08:47 PM »
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Must admit I have gone of Rafa. It appears to me that he must win by all costs. I have watched some of his recent matches and he has looked pretty vicious at times as though he wants to hurt his opponent. Yet when he is interviewed you would think butter would not melt in his mouth. I feel he is really driven and tennis is all he is concerned about. He has to become a more rounded person tennis is not the be all and end all. I must admit I was put of by his behaviour in the match last night. He complained about the conditions and this was when Nole was playing well it was obvious he was feeling the pressure. As to his sexaulity that is his business.

Thought that was the point of being a professional and competitive sportsman? Rafa's always been like that, all business on court and then he relaxes off court. It's why he's so good, he can turn off the outside factors and focus purely on the player and match ahead of him.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #790 on: June 11, 2012, 09:04 PM »
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Seen an interesting article from an author called Lynn Barbour who interviewed Rafa prior to Queens last year... Don't know how to send it here but try google her.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #791 on: June 11, 2012, 09:10 PM »
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Seen an interesting article from an author called Lynn Barbour who interviewed Rafa prior to Queens last year... Don't know how to send it here but try google her.

Lynn Barber writes bizarre, useless sh*t. She mocks Rafa's English among other things, I would like to hear her Spanish?
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #792 on: June 11, 2012, 09:15 PM »
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Ah! I see, never heard of her prior to the article I read.
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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #793 on: June 11, 2012, 11:42 PM »
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Must admit I have gone of Rafa. It appears to me that he must win by all costs. I have watched some of his recent matches and he has looked pretty vicious at times as though he wants to hurt his opponent. Yet when he is interviewed you would think butter would not melt in his mouth. I feel he is really driven and tennis is all he is concerned about. He has to become a more rounded person tennis is not the be all and end all.

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Re: Roland Garros 2012 - the other players « Reply #794 on: June 12, 2012, 01:26 AM »
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FINAL - WHAT THE PLAYERS SAID

Rafael Nadal: "For me, it is a real emotional day, winning another time here. Sure, the seventh is important because I am the player who has more today, but like I said yesterday: that's after. For me, the important thing is to win Roland Garros even if it's the first, second, third, or seventh [time]. That's what makes me very happy. [I'm] very happy [with] the way that I played today, because I played much more aggressive."

On defeating Djokovic in a major final: "I had lost three Grand Slam finals in a row to him. That's why it was important for me to win, and this is why I was a bit more nervous and there was a lot of emotions."

On playing in the current era: "I feel very lucky to achieve all what I achieved until today. I have great rivals... A lot of important finals for me, a lot of important matches that I was able to enjoy against fantastic players like Novak, like Federer, like Andy. For me, you can feel unlucky or lucky, both."

Novak Djokovic: "In this moment I am disappointed about this loss because I thought I started to play better in the third set and felt like I could take this match to a fifth set, and then everything could be possible, but unfortunately, there [was] a rain delay yesterday when I started to feel really good on the court. But I don't want to find an excuse in that, because the first rain delay maybe helped me a little bit; the second helped him. So that's the way it goes, and the better player won today."

On reaching his first Roland Garros final: "I could easily have lost the match in fourth round or even more against Tsonga, but I managed to come to the final for the first time in my career. I should be happy about that... I thought we played a fantastic match where people hopefully enjoyed yesterday and today, and I was even surprised with the number of people who attended this match today. It was a working day, but it was still a full stadium. It's beautiful. These matches make you feel like all the work that you put into it is worth [it]."
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