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[TheMadHatter]

No, he should definitely play RG. He's not going to meet with Nadal until the final anyway and there are 3 good players who can take him out even before he gets there.

Nadal has only 1 and that's Nole himself.

Federer too has 3 players who can take him out of RG and as to Andy, I'd say at least 3 to 5 players who pose enormous danger to him on clay.

Given the last two tournaments I'd say it's a higher number than that.

[TheMadHatter]

While I don't think Andy will give his all at RG, I do think he will take it far more seriously than MC, Barcelona and all other clay tournaments this season. You do agree with that, no?

Of course. But whether he's taking it seriously or not, he's been outplayed by both Berdych and Raonic in successive tournaments (and even Benneteau was dominating points against him). I think there's a big number of players who pose a big threat to him if he's not on his game.

[Littlebuddha]

I saw this article in the paper this morning. Tennis star Andy tells how shock defeat in the US left him sobbing alone in a hotel.

He admitted yesterday it was one of the lowest points in his career and he even began to doubt if he could go on.  ' I was gutted. I did'nt know what to do. But Andy showed his determination by getting back out on the court the very next day. Then I got back to Monte Carlo and startrd playing well again.

[Littlebuddha]

I wanted Daveed to win and he almost did. I think Nadal is brilliant on clay. He can be beaten on hard courts and grass. In Japan on hard court last year Andy demolished winning 6-0 and 6-1 I think so he can be beaten. He is not super human as  most people think .

[Aileen]

I saw this article in the paper this morning. Tennis star Andy tells how shock defeat in the US left him sobbing alone in a hotel.

He admitted yesterday it was one of the lowest points in his career and he even began to doubt if he could go on.  ' I was gutted. I did'nt know what to do. But Andy showed his determination by getting back out on the court the very next day. Then I got back to Monte Carlo and startrd playing well again.

Yes, that was mentioned in the interview with David Frost.  It was after his defeat by Bogomolov in Miami.  I can imagine how desolate and dispirited he felt.

Watched the Ferrer/Nadal Final yesterday..... now THAT's how you play on clay!
So close... too bad for Ferrer.
I don't know what's worse... being an Andy supporter or a Daveed supporter.

I love wee Daveed ...   Really, really wanted him to beat Nadal.  He's such a gutsy little fighter but sadly in this match his belief that he could win deserted him in the 1st set tiebreak and the end of the 2nd set - hardly surprising as their H2H was 14-4.  So sad.    Unfortunately he's just turned 30, but I hope he isn't thinking of retiring any time soon.

[Aileen]

Thanks Linda.  Think I'll open a thread for madrid MS - other players.  A lot of folk like myself do follow other players and like to comment on their matches.

[robbie]

Downside of switching allegiances Bevc.

[Aileen]

Just been announced that NZ not getting any tv coverage of Wimbledon and will only be available on line and you will have to pay for it.

Now that needs some bitching and whinging about

Should write to your PM about that.