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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #45 on: September 26, 2006, 02:47:54 PM »

I've heard that Hillary Clinton might run for the Presidency next time. That'll be interesting!

You know who would make a brilliant President. David Palmer! The guy couldnt put a foot wrong, of course he'd need Jack there to get him out of messy situations!
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #46 on: September 26, 2006, 02:50:53 PM »

She might run, but it's unlikely she'll get elected. Americans just wouldn't vote for a woman.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #47 on: September 26, 2006, 02:52:01 PM »

I've heard that Hillary Clinton might run for the Presidency next time. That'll be interesting!

You know who would make a brilliant President. David Palmer! The guy couldnt put a foot wrong, of course he'd need Jack there to get him out of messy situations!

David Palmer? What a president he would be! lmao

I wouldn't mind Al Gore going for president again purely based on how he's made it his life's work to spread the news about global warming and that he actually has some intelligence.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #48 on: September 26, 2006, 02:56:51 PM »

Yeah he comes across as pretty decent. There was an interview with him in this months FHM. He probably will run again, although he's said he wont.
He could be doing this whole global warming/environment thing to make himself look really nice and caring and then...He's running for President as the nicest guy in the world!

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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #49 on: September 26, 2006, 03:01:01 PM »

Yeah he comes across as pretty decent. There was an interview with him in this months FHM. He probably will run again, although he's said he wont.
He could be doing this whole global warming/environment thing to make himself look really nice and caring and then...He's running for President as the nicest guy in the world!

The fact is he can't be accused of caring about global warming to try and get himself elected in 2008 because he has been doing it all his life and it is clearly a passion of his.

Although he says he doesn't plan to run I have a feeling he may end up doing so but knowing America, the two main candidates will probably end up being equally as bad as each other giving Americans no real choice Frown
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #50 on: September 26, 2006, 03:02:17 PM »

Why is everyone so utterly negative about America?
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #51 on: September 26, 2006, 03:03:12 PM »

Sorry I forgot to quote that from FHM. It was a question they asked him, not my personal views!
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #52 on: September 26, 2006, 03:03:33 PM »

Why is everyone so utterly negative about America?

Because of the current administration, doh  doh

But my comments are more in relation to the Kerry v Bush line up.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #53 on: September 26, 2006, 03:15:13 PM »

It just annoys me that it seems to be fashionable at the moment to 'hate' America. It's a new trend! Everyone can do it!
(Not getting at you Mark, because I'm sure you have your evidence. It just pisses me off that people say things like that without knowing a thing about it).

It also irritates me that Charlie Sheen is referred to as 'brave' for having an opinion on 9/11. If previous polls show that 90%+ of Americans believe there's something dodgy going on, then it's hardly a risky career move to agree with them, is it?
I find all this 'conspiracy theory' stuff incredibly sensationalist and over the top. Yes, I agree, I think there's something odd going on. But until something can be proved incontrovertibly, there's no point putting forth all these 'theories'. They're not helpful and they're pure speculation. What happened happened, and whether or not the Bush regime was involved, we have to deal with the consequences - because they are now the immediate issue - before we can go back and look at what went on.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #54 on: September 26, 2006, 03:16:02 PM »

And yes, Kerry vs Bush was very much a rock and a hard place situation. Especially with the publicity ideas they tried (and failed) to put on Kerry's campaign.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #55 on: September 26, 2006, 03:30:11 PM »

It just annoys me that it seems to be fashionable at the moment to 'hate' America. It's a new trend! Everyone can do it!
(Not getting at you Mark, because I'm sure you have your evidence. It just p*sses me off that people say things like that without knowing a thing about it).
I agree it is a new trend but it's a trend for a damn good reason - the American government are acting like tyrants attacking countries like Iraq without any evidence and to make things worse they have a president who appears to be pretty thick which certainly doesn't help the country's image.

We, people who dislike/hate the current administration, don't do it to be 'cool', that would be pathetic, we feel this way because it's our natural reaction to the dreadful news we see and hear every day.

It also irritates me that Charlie Sheen is referred to as 'brave' for having an opinion on 9/11. If previous polls show that 90%+ of Americans believe there's something dodgy going on, then it's hardly a risky career move to agree with them, is it?
He is referred to as brave because a Hollywood actor is almost always strongly attacked by the media when they give an opinion on anything like this - they are seen as actors and therefore not qualified to give an opinion on any political issue.

Regarding Charlie Sheen, it is especially risky as a lot of the media will jump to the opportunity of labelling him as conspiracy nut which is certainly not good for his career.

I find all this 'conspiracy theory' stuff incredibly sensationalist and over the top. Yes, I agree, I think there's something odd going on. But until something can be proved incontrovertibly, there's no point putting forth all these 'theories'. They're not helpful and they're pure speculation. What happened happened, and whether or not the Bush regime was involved, we have to deal with the consequences - because they are now the immediate issue - before we can go back and look at what went on.
Unfortunately people keep accusing those who are simply wanting answers as being conspiracy theorists. If the authorities don't go to the effort of answering these questions then people can only assume that there is some sort of cover-up, whether it be sinister or not.

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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #56 on: September 26, 2006, 03:37:53 PM »

When big events occur whether it be the titanic or 9/11, there will always be conspiracy therioes. It's just some have more founding than others. This one has a lot of support and thats why so many people are interested. Can you imagine what would happen if someone had definitive information that Bush was involved in some way? It would bring the whole American government to their knees!

Mark, I feel I'm copying that last line from the last series of 24! Oops  nervous
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #57 on: September 26, 2006, 03:39:53 PM »

When big events occur whether it be the titanic or 9/11, there will always be conspiracy therioes. It's just some have more founding than others. This one has a lot of support and thats why so many people are interested. Can you imagine what would happen if someone had definitive information that Bush was involved in some way? It would bring the whole American government to their knees!

Mark, I feel I'm copying that last line from the last series of 24! Oops  nervous

Well if 24 is anything to go by then Bush, if found guilty, would secretly be allowed to resign for personal reasons to help keep up the reputation of American democracy and integrity Frown

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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #58 on: September 26, 2006, 03:41:07 PM »

I agree it is a new trend but it's a trend for a damn good reason - the American government are acting like tyrants attacking countries like Iraq without any evidence and they have a president who appears to be pretty thick which certainly doesn't help the country's image. We don't do it to be 'cool', that would be pathetic, we feel this way because it's our natural reaction to the dreadful news we see and hear every day.

So why not be equally critical of the British regime? We went to war in Iraq, we went to war in Afganistan and even worse, we did it to follow and support Bush.
The American Regime are not acting like Tyrants. They're acting egotistically, but that's far removed from tyranny.

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He is referred to as brave because a Hollywood actor is almost always strongly attacked by the media when they give an opinion on anything like this - they are seen as actors and therefore not qualified to give an opinion on any political issue. Regarding Charlie Sheen, it is especially risky as a lot of the media will jump to the opportunity to label him as conspiracy nut which is certainly not good for his career. The 90% refers to the viewers of that particular CNN show not America - unfortunately some can only come to the conclusion that over half of America are pretty clueless because they voted back the Bush again.
Rubbish - take a look at George Clooney, Susan Sarandon, all those actors that marched against the war in Iraq. Yes, actors have to be more careful about what they say, but it doesn't mean they're brave to say it. In fact, they should take more responsibility for speaking out on issues like this, seeing as they have the public stage.
Also - bit harsh to call people 'clueless' because of their political convictions.

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Unfortunately people keep accusing those who are simply wanting answers as being conspiracy theorists. If the authorities don't go to the effort of answering these questions then people can only assume that there is some sort of cover-up, whether it be sinister or not. A few years ago I was outraged that there wasn't going to be an independent investigation in 911 but I guess the most of the public just accept it.
That's because most of the time, people who 'want answers' wrap up their argument in sensation and conspiracy.
Also, the administration not going to the effort of answering these questions might just mean they feel there are no questions to answer. (Not that I necessarily agree). It's certainly not going to happen while the Republicans are still in power - it would completely undermine them.
It's very difficult to be objective about 9/11 if you're a government - people need to feel protected by the state, thus the state has to seen to be acting to defend them. For much of the American public, a public investigation just wouldn't have been top of their list of priorities.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #59 on: September 26, 2006, 03:42:23 PM »

When big events occur whether it be the titanic or 9/11, there will always be conspiracy therioes. It's just some have more founding than others. This one has a lot of support and thats why so many people are interested. Can you imagine what would happen if someone had definitive information that Bush was involved in some way? It would bring the whole American government to their knees!

Mark, I feel I'm copying that last line from the last series of 24! Oops  nervous

I find it more likely that if anything happened, it was driven by the regime rather than Bush. Taking the example of the Holocaust, it can be argued that Hitler has very little to do with it - he just sanctioned it.
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