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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #60 on: September 26, 2006, 02:43:08 PM »
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American democracy and integrity

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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #61 on: September 26, 2006, 02:48:56 PM »
Quote from: eira_arian on September 26, 2006, 02:42:23 PM
I find it more likely that if anything happened, it was driven by the regime rather than Bush. Taking the example of the Holocaust, it can be argued that Hitler has very little to do with it - he just sanctioned it.

It dosent matter who proposed the idea of the holocaust, Hitler was the voice and face of it. He enforced it through his guys, and ultimately, should be held responsible. Same goes for Bush, It's his administration, and anything that they do positive or negative, he's got to be the one at the front of it all. He might not be the one calling the shots, as lets be honest, the guys pretty much a bumbling idiot, but he's the one who deserves the blame or praise!
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #62 on: September 26, 2006, 02:52:22 PM »
Quote from: eira_arian on September 26, 2006, 02:42:23 PM
I find it more likely that if anything happened, it was driven by the regime rather than Bush.

I definitely agree with that possibility.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #63 on: September 26, 2006, 02:54:14 PM »
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It dosent matter who proposed the idea of the holocaust, Hitler was the voice and face of it.

That's not strictly true.

I have lectures....I'll write a better reply later x
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #64 on: September 26, 2006, 03:14:45 PM »
OK, I enjoy a friendly debate!
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #65 on: September 26, 2006, 08:46:36 PM »
 Think  Doesn't the 'buck' stop with someone!

When you are the head of a 'super power', you have to take responsibility.

It's not as if he doesn't have anyone to turn to, to ask for advice?  His father was President too!  Rolling Eyes
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #66 on: September 27, 2006, 12:35:13 AM »
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Think  Doesn't the 'buck' stop with someone!

When you are the head of a 'super power', you have to take responsibility.

It's not as if he doesn't have anyone to turn to, to ask for advice?  His father was President too!  Rolling Eyes

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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #67 on: September 27, 2006, 04:37:29 AM »
My whole point though, was that it's not as simple as that. Yes, I think you're right; he's the one that is going to be and should be blamed, but the issue in general is far more complex than the actions of one man.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #68 on: September 27, 2006, 05:30:57 AM »
Quote from: eira_arian on September 26, 2006, 02:41:07 PM
So why not be equally critical of the British regime? We went to war in Iraq, we went to war in Afganistan and even worse, we did it to follow and support Bush.

I missed this point - teach me to skip posts!

Laura, I absolutely hate this government, for many reasons, and going to war would be one of them! 

What has it accomplished?  Is there any end in sight?  Are the Iraqi people really any better off?  What about all the soldiers, from all countries, who have died?  For what? 

And I think that it was Blair who followed Bush.  Did my MP ask me and every other person in my constituency my thoughts on Iraq?  I think I must have been elsewhere. search

MP's do what they think is right, what their party thinks is right and plod along regardless!

It seems to be the same thing in America.  At least in the UK you can protest in the vacinity of the PM, you can't in America!  What's the point of having 'a voice' if you can't be heard?

Until someone, in power, says, 'you know, I was wrong.  Actually, this happened and this was said.' there are always going to be conspiracies, because no one can tell the truth!  In about 30 years time, it'll all come out!  Rolling Eyes

And I stand by my comment that the buck stops with someone, and in America it is George Bush!  He had the ultimate power to say no, and he didn't!
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #69 on: September 27, 2006, 08:57:18 AM »
Laura I don't think any of us are forgetting the sins of the British government either but we tend to just talk about America because they are the ones that make the initial decision and then create this "coalition" of evil to apparently fight evil.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #70 on: September 27, 2006, 12:39:40 PM »
On the subject of Hitler and one man being responsible, well there was rather a lot of things that hitler's top generals undertook without his knowing if i remember my history programs correctly. Yes I consider Hitler having overall responsibility, but at the end of the day, he wasn't the sole man in charge of how things were run and dealt with on a daily basis. He only dealt with certain issues. Other people covered other areas including the concetration camps.

As for Bush bearing responsibility, we have to bear in mind that although "he's the most powerful man in the world" he has advisors, friends, experts who can persuade him one way or the other. And some people can be pretty persuasive.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #71 on: September 27, 2006, 02:21:20 PM »
Hitler was just an example, and like I said "He enforced it through his guys"  He might not of been at the concentration camps all the time, but he knew what was happening. He didnt stop it, he let it go on. So he might not of proposed the idea himself, but he must of had some say in it.

I dont suppose its too difficult to persuade him. He's not the brightest is he? Also when I say I'm against some of Bush's actions. I dont just mean him, I mean his administration in general. I think thats how most people see it.
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #72 on: September 27, 2006, 02:25:07 PM »
Agreed.

And you can't punish a system. no  You have to put the blame on individuals.


Mike, this is really off topic:  I saw Different Seasons in the shop. I'll get it the next time I go. Smile
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #73 on: September 27, 2006, 02:32:46 PM »
ARKA, You're back!!  hug

I wasnt on when you left last week, glad you came back!

You'll have to tell me if the other stories are any good. I havent read them!
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Re: 9/11 - the truth? « Reply #74 on: September 27, 2006, 03:59:35 PM »
Ah welll.... I had to come back after all that. Smile


I'll tell you when I get the book.
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