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thomasredlegs
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Forum guests « on: May 14, 2008, 09:51:57 PM »
Re the PM to me from Mark, I cannot take credit for actually starting this topic - instead I was responding to ..............

Expect a Murraysworld full house tomorrow evening!! which Seany-Bhoy posted

Quote from: nkp2 on May 14, 2008, 09:50:59 PM



Might get 30-40 members online at once maybe? Maybe 50-60 guests. If he wins, we might get a new record for visitors lol


I've wondered if all the guests listed are entirely legit?


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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 09:54:01 PM »
Why not? Loads of random people look at forums. I know I used to look at MTF alot for info and I only joined recently. Bound to be other people looking at the site at some point.
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Bevc
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Forum guests « Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 09:55:01 PM »
That's how I found MW - wanted information that beeb couldn't provide me with! cmon yeah MW!
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 09:58:06 PM »
Quote from: thomasredlegs on May 14, 2008, 09:56:03 PM



It just intrigues me the way it 'rolls over' with 'guests' viewing 'current' topics as well as topics which are very old.  Also, if you click on something a guest is viewing and then go back to see if that same guest is viewing that same topic, they never are.  Isn't that a bit odd?


Ah, but some guests can be bots. Internet viruses and the like. They view random topics and try and post/advertise. That's why they can't post without an account in most topics and why you need to prove you are human.
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Yamor
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Forum guests « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2008, 10:02:14 PM »
I'm puzzled. How can you know?
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2008, 10:03:29 PM »
http://www.murraysworld.com/talk/index.php?action=who
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Yamor
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Forum guests « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2008, 10:05:08 PM »
No, i mean, how do you know the guys not on the same topic. In fact, chris is definitely wrong - if you look you'll see guest are spread evenly over the full half hour shown, that means they're not constantly moving topics.
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2008, 10:05:29 PM »
Quote from: thomasredlegs on May 14, 2008, 10:00:09 PM



I understand that ........ but I have never been able to find the same guest on the same topic when I go back and click on it.  Never.  Try it and see what I mean.


Bear in mind, the list updates constantly and the guests move up and down the list. So in fact, I've seen plenty of guests on the same topic. I just did it there. Top of the list, Guest viewing "Murray v Roddick". I went back a minute later and 6 down, Guest viewing "Murray v Roddick". That will either be the same bot, or the same real person. The list does not distinguish between Guests, so it's impossible to say what one guest is/was viewing 2 minutes before.
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2008, 10:06:04 PM »
Quote from: Yamor on May 14, 2008, 10:05:08 PM

No, i mean, how do you know the guys not on the same topic. In fact, chris is definitely wrong - if you look you'll see guest are spread evenly over the full half hour shown, that means they're not constantly moving topics.


Exactly.
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Yamor
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Forum guests « Reply #9 on: May 14, 2008, 10:07:23 PM »
You just explained what i meant a lot better, Neil!
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #10 on: May 14, 2008, 10:10:25 PM »
Well, bear in mind also, that if a guest (or member for that matter) changes topic, then it will now show the NEW topic they are looking at. Hence why it is impossible to follow that guest around as you have no idea which one they are. Some "Guests" will be hidden members as well. So they are likely to move about a lot. Not many people will stay in a topic for more than 30-60 seconds at the most.

I.e. It does not register EVERY movement every IP address makes, only the most recent one from that IP. Hope that makes sense. Smile
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Yamor
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Forum guests « Reply #11 on: May 14, 2008, 10:11:10 PM »
I can't try that out on my phone, but if its true then there's some bug in the system. I think the conclusion you've drawn is definitely wrong.
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Yamor
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Forum guests « Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 10:12:20 PM »
Neil, do hidden members come up as guests?
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #13 on: May 14, 2008, 10:13:01 PM »
Yes.
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Yamor
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Forum guests « Reply #14 on: May 14, 2008, 10:13:59 PM »
Chris, i don't know how many times you've tried it, but it can't be true most of the time, because there a plenty of quests low down on the list, which means they've been on the same topic for up to half an hour.
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 10:16:00 PM »
Quote from: thomasredlegs on May 14, 2008, 10:11:50 PM



Maybe or maybe not .......... I got very curious about it all and have clicked on the topics many times to try and disprove what I am saying - you'd think one time, the guest would still be there, but they are not.


And you are wrong, because I just did it 3 times. I clicked on Murray v Nadal beside Yamor, went out of it, went back in to Who's Online and Yamor was still viewing this topic at the same time as listed. That will disappear the next time Yamor replies/changes topic. Then I did the same with myself. 22.12.37 I viewed "Who's Online" I then refreshed the page, and 3 guests had appeared above me and I was still listed as viewing Who's Online 20 seconds before that. IT should show each movement of each person, (member or guest) around the board as it happens. I THINK it only applies to viewing new topics, and replying. But not to refreshing a page.
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 10:17:26 PM »
Quote from: thomasredlegs on May 14, 2008, 10:13:46 PM

I actually wondered if it was just a device to pull members into looking at old topics and therefore making new posts - I have certainly done that, and that is why I thought this is what it was all about.  I agree there have to be some legit guests out there, but I suspect not all are.


Well like I said, there are currently 6 members online that are hidden, so 6 at least are them, and there are 15 members online at least anyway. So that provokes activity, and therefore attracts bots to advertise. They don't go to inactive sites, because there are no humans to advertise to. It's not a conspiracy, honest. lol
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 10:20:42 PM »
Yes I know, but I then did it with a guest just the same. The list updates by time, so if new people do something, then that guest moves down. Just refresh the list and you will see guest move down.

EDIT: Yamor, I can't be 100%. Does "Who's online" show what you are doing? Because I thought it was showing me as a guest, but I can't see me anymore.... so it must have been someone else. Not sure if it shows as guests/not at all. Or it might just not show what you are doing, since that is obvious.

EDIT: Ok, it shows me if I am unhidden, but not if I am hidden. So I was wrong, it only shows guests and unhidden members.
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 10:25:06 PM »
I know what you are saying, but I also know for a fact that it doesn't "disappear" 100% of the time. In fact it's a lot less than that.
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nkp2
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Forum guests « Reply #19 on: May 14, 2008, 10:28:17 PM »
Guest      22:25:52     Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.
Guest    22:25:51    Viewing the topic Andy Murray shirtless.
Guest    22:25:50    Viewing the topic 9/11 - the truth?.
Guest    22:25:49    Viewing the image gallery.
Yamor    22:25:42    Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.
top_spin    22:25:42    Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.


Yamor      22:26:14     Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.
Guest    22:26:11    Viewing the topic Morrissey in Talks for Eurovision. .
Guest    22:26:05    Viewing the topic Murray's lawyers threaten MurraysWorld.com.
Guest    22:25:55    Viewing the image gallery.
Guest    22:25:51    Viewing the topic Andy Murray shirtless.
Guest    22:25:50    Viewing the topic 9/11 - the truth?.
Guest    22:25:49    Viewing the image gallery.
top_spin    22:25:42    Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.
Guest    22:25:25    Viewing the image gallery.
Mark    22:25:24    Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.
Guest    22:24:47    Viewing the front page.
Guest    22:24:09    Viewing the topic A Football Season In The Life Of A Murraysworld Member - 2007 Season.
Allan    22:24:00    Viewing the topic Photos of Murray at Rome.
Guest    22:23:50    Viewing the topic What should you be doing now?.
Seany-Bhoy    22:23:41    Viewing the topic Murray vs Nadal!.

The parts in bold are the same I think. Those two shots were taken, visiting different pages in between about 20 seconds apart. Guests are in the same topics.
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