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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 01:06:53 PM »

What was the purpose of the poll if such conclusive results have no bearing on your decision?
Why don't you ask Neil, he created the poll?

The players were never meant to decide on this because it potentially affects the organisers much more than the players. Therefore, it was fair to let the organisers to decide and that was the way it was always going to be regardless of what user polls were posted up on the forum.

Should have kept this completely between the RTR staff in the first place.
It was - am I meant to take responsibility for what Neil has posted? It's his right to post up a poll but none of us endorsed it.

I also find it annoying that the poll was ignored.
See above.

Might make some of us consider whether it's even worth voting next time there's a poll on something.
See above.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 01:20:28 PM »


So basically two thirds of members (including staff voters btw) views are irrelevant and eleven pages of argument where Neil failed to convince were a complete waste of time. Should have kept this completely between the RTR staff in the first place. Mark says on page ten that if 90% dont want it...it WONT happen, but if the vote is 50% then RTR staff will decide. Seems like an arbitrary decision then.
Personally I think it's fine but you've set a precedent here that says to members....Thanks for your views but basically we'll do as we please (if it keeps Neil quiet) :mildly disgruntled:



I thought we should have sided with the majority vote, this whole thread is pointless now Frown
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 01:20:39 PM »

Then why did you post something like "Please note: The results of this poll will not be taken into account when the decision is made. This decision will be made by the organisers only and any opinions posted in this thread are merely for debate."
Why instead did you post that utter boll**ks about "if 90% vote no, it won't happen and if 50% vote yes then we will decide"? Surely that statement gave us the impression that our opinion on the issue mattered didn't it?
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 01:26:49 PM »

It does... the organisers are less likely to go ahead with it if they think everyone is against it but it was Neil's poll so I don't care.

The organisers created the game and if they come to me and say they are struggling because of exams then it's my responsibility to make it easier for them. And I wasn't going to recruit new organisers because I don't think that's the best way to solve it.

I really don't understand why you guys are so angry... this doesn't affect the game for you in the slightest, it's actually a restriction on your freedom of speech that has now been lifted.

This will now make things a little easier for the organisers and I care for their well being much more than the fact that some of you have to read an extra post by Neil or Yamor every so often. Please get some perspective on this because now you know the facts, it's slightly selfish getting angry about it all.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #24 on: January 19, 2008, 01:35:12 PM »

I'm all for improving things and releasing pressure on the organisers. I'm not angry about this change in particular. It's more the fact that a poll with such conclusive results has been ignored and we have now been told it never mattered what we voted for anyway as the poll was never going to decide anything. This despite you yourself giving us the impression that our votes were going to be important.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #25 on: January 19, 2008, 01:46:56 PM »


This will now make things a little easier for the organisers and I care for their well being much more than the fact that some of you have to read an extra post by Neil or Yamor every so often. Please get some perspective on this because now you know the facts, it's slightly selfish getting angry about it all.


But Yamor doesn't have trusted status.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #26 on: January 19, 2008, 01:52:20 PM »

Sorry if i mislead you but the poll was always unofficial and hopefully you understand why this was never going to be decided on a public vote.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #27 on: January 19, 2008, 02:10:02 PM »

Actually, credit to Neil for leading such a successful campaign which we all got suckered into  doh .....I do admit that Mark was put in an invidious position and should have stated early on that the poll meant nothing. As I said before, if at the end of the day, if it makes RTR run smoother, it can only be a good thing. As long as Neil doesn't post any of his 'what if' scoreboards LOL Wink
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #28 on: January 19, 2008, 02:12:47 PM »


Actually, credit to Neil for leading such a successful campaign which we all got suckered into  doh .....I do admit that Mark was put in an invidious position and should have stated early on that the poll meant nothing. As I said before, if at the end of the day, if it makes RTR run smoother, it can only be a good thing. As long as Neil doesn't post any of his 'what if' scoreboards LOL :wink:



lol That was me getting excited about my potential GS sucess Wink

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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #29 on: January 19, 2008, 02:20:33 PM »


Sorry if i mislead you but the poll was always unofficial and hopefully you understand why this was never going to be decided on a public vote.


Don't really understand why it's something we mere public couldn't have had a say on, but it's done now. In future polls on forum issues, please let us know whether it's worth our time choosing an option.
As for this 'trusted status' how about a clearer indication of whether you actually are 'trusted'? Perhaps instead of top seed etc, make it say "Trusted Member" for whoever has this status. Personally before this poll I'd not even heard of it.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #30 on: January 19, 2008, 04:38:49 PM »

In future please assume a poll created by a standard user is not something official. Also, if you are going to complain about your vote counting for nothing then please take that up with Neil as you should with any other poll starter.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #31 on: January 19, 2008, 07:15:12 PM »


But Yamor doesn't have trusted status.
Correct, but he does point out mistakes. Smile
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #32 on: January 19, 2008, 11:19:11 PM »


In future please assume a poll created by a standard user is not something official. Also, if you are going to complain about your vote counting for nothing then please take that up with Neil as you should with any other poll starter.


The only reason I'm complaining about it meaning nothing is because you yourself said within the actual thread that our votes were going to count when you said that 90% and 50% bulls**t. And then you have gone against that and the majority of the RTR participants. Like I said, you should have said somewhere that our votes in that poll would in now way influence the outcome of your decision. Instead you said they would.

Anyway as with my previous post, how about come clearer indication of who actually is 'trusted'? Why doesn't it say so under our usernames instead of the meaningless 'top seed' or 'veteran' etc so we actually know? Perhaps add it to the forum that when you get to 5000 or 7000 posts or whatever it is then it goes under your name instead. Even you got confused by it saying Yamor could post scores when he apparently isn't 'trusted.'
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #33 on: January 19, 2008, 11:30:39 PM »

The only reason I'm complaining about it meaning nothing is because you yourself said within the actual thread that our votes were going to count when you said that 90% and 50% bulls**t. And then you have gone against that and the majority of the RTR participants. Like I said, you should have said somewhere that our votes in that poll would in now way influence the outcome of your decision. Instead you said they would.
I said that the poll results have the potential to "influence" the RTR organisers decision... it doesn't have any official affect on the decision. So for example, if 90% hated the idea then the RTR organisers would have to then weigh up their own problems with the fact that public opinion were dead against it. Please refer back to my original post because I was very careful in my wording, I made sure that I used the word "probably" and "may" to try and emphasis that it would never have any direct affect on the poll. But anyway, the polls were fairly even if you consider the fact Yamor coudn't vote Yes and therefore they did not have much influence on the minds of the people making the decision.

But I do admit that me giving the 50%/90% example could have been interpreted as meaning the poll actually directly matters but I hoped that the example would show the absolute opposite and show how the polls have very little relevance. Next time I will be clearer.

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you should have said somewhere that our votes in that poll would in now way influence the outcome of your decision. Instead you said they would.
I was trying to say that they had the potential to influence the decision if everyone was against it. But they were not so it didn't really matter.

Anyway as with my previous post, how about come clearer indication of who actually is 'trusted'? Why doesn't it say so under our usernames instead of the meaningless 'top seed' or 'veteran' etc so we actually know?
Sorry that I didn't respond to your point before but I was using my mobile on the move and coudn't really quote posts.

You bring up a good point and I'll see if something can be done.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #34 on: January 19, 2008, 11:34:14 PM »

I think it did matter. OK it wasn't 100% but it was still 11 pages of debate and 2 thirds of the regular RTR participants minus 1 person who couldn't vote. Anyway no point going on about it anymore.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #35 on: January 19, 2008, 11:35:08 PM »

OK... so let's say it matters, how does that change anything? It just means the RTR organisers would have to personally bear it in mind when they come to decision but they have no official obligation to do so. So essentially it doesn't necessarily change the outcome.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #36 on: January 19, 2008, 11:38:12 PM »

Just depends how much you cared about keeping the mere "standard members" happy I suppose.
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #37 on: January 19, 2008, 11:40:42 PM »

Sorry for going on about it but I am so passionate about being democratic and fair when coming to decisions and so I want to strongly defend myself in this situation.

It was wrong of me in posting that example crap because it gave off mixed messages but I always wanted the RTR team to decide because it affected them, not anyone else.

Lessons have been learned anyway.

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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #38 on: January 19, 2008, 11:56:10 PM »

Yep, no point going on about it anymore. Smile
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Re: New Rule: Posting Scores « Reply #39 on: January 22, 2008, 01:29:41 AM »

After all the stick Neil's been getting, I'd like to thank him publicly for all the scores he's been doing. I for one really find it makes a difference to me!
I'm still quite new, so I can't say I fully understand all the nuances of the relationships he has with some people here, so I'm not the best qualified to judge, but there we are...
Of course, the actual organisers who do virtually all the work deserve a huge thanks, but I thought after all the negative comments, Neil deserved this.
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